Originally posted by doctorex
And as for the previous poster who said no prophecy has ever been fullfilled spiritually, I can't help but shake my head. Many prophecies are
fulfilled both phycially and spiritually. What about all the events of the old testament being physical events to symbolise spiritual events of the
future? What about the exodus out of phycial Egypt as a sign for our duty to leave spiritual Egypt? What about the physical temple as a phycial type
of the future spirtual temple, namely the church. What about the passover lamb? Are you healed phycially by the stripes of Jesus, or spiritually?
Does it say in revelation that people on earth will the trumpets, or are they blown in heaven? I could go on, but what did Jesus say to Nicodemus when
he thought only physically?
I speak of prophecy. Of course there are many spiritual things that are typed by physical things in the old testament.
When Jesus Christ came, did He fulfill all the Old Testament prophecies concerning Him physically or spiritually?
The manner of His birth, where He was born, where He lived, what he did, did He fulfill these physically or spiritually?
He fulfilled them all physically, AND YES OF COURSE He fulfilled them spiritually TOO. The point is, these event were not "spiritualized" away.
And as I repeatedly mention, the idea that Jesus Christ did not exist eternally is just preposterous. Even if we said that one "normal" man, one who
did not pre-exist eternally, who lived a sinless life died on the cross, HE COULD ONLY PAY THE PENALTY OF SIN FOR ONE OTHER MAN.
To say that one "normal" man could accept the penalty for all humanity is just nonsense.
In order for one to "pay" the cost for all humanity, that person had to be "worth" more or of equal value, than all humanity.
That could only be true if HE CREATED ALL HUMANITY. In His pre-existent state as The Word and God, this is what He did, this is why His sacrifice was
This is one of RW's primary teachings (that Christ did not pre-exist eternally). On this account alone I disqualify him.
As Christians, WE ALL have a responsibility to "put them (alleged apostles or prophets) to the test", the bible shows us how to do this.
It should be stated (again), that the test for a true prophet has nothing to do with prophecy being fulfilled.
If a prophet prophesies 10 future events, and 10 future event come true, exactly on schedule, exactly as he stated, does he "pass the test"? No,
this is not how you "test" an apostle of prophet. You test them by whether they lead you away from the true God to false gods, and false ways and
false teachings. The god that RW preaches about is not the true God, it is a false God. Unfortunately for many RW supporters, it will take 3 1/2
years, and Christ NOT SHOWING UP, to finally convince them, that he is a false prophet.
NOTHING MAJOR (in terms of a nuclear strike) will happen between now and Pentecost. I do not say there will not be wars, or rumors of wars, we've had
these, and will continue to have them. I say nothing major will happen because there are many other things that must come into play before this will
occur (one of them being the re-constitution of the Holy Roman Empire one last time, with the Beast and False Prophet).
Things like the Sun turning black, and the Moon turning to blood, do you say these will occur "spiritually" or physically?
What about 1/3 of all the trees burning up? Physical or spiritual? It's not talking about grass in heaven (if they have grass).
It's not talking about "spiritual grass". It's talking about real physical trees, and real physical grass.
This is something that will happen physically, in the real world, as mentioned, this is what THE BIBLE says will occur at the First Trumpet. This
clearly has not happened. RW has categorically stated that the First Trumpet HAS ALREADY BEEN BLOWN.
[edit on 19-4-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]