Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

False prophet Ronald Weinland, who up to this point, has had numerous failed prophecies, and on top of that, has fulfilled none himself (ie breathed fire from mouth, turned rivers to blood...etc....), is preparing his exit strategy for his colossal failure (that is, before his likely jail term for tax evasion).

www.cog-pkg.org...

24:40. So again I think about-ah-some of those things. Just toss it out there a little bit, just a little bit. Because I think it’s coming in time, that there are things about the two witnesses that aren’t going to happen the way we thought they were going to happen.


I predict, his followers will still stand by him, even though he's failed on all counts imaginable.

Originally posted by doctorex

Originally posted by daggyz
Where's 'Doctorex' in all this? Does he still believe? I bet not!

You would lose that bet. I see you all are still obsessed and hanging off his every word.

No I don't listen to him, I just get a summary. But are you Doctorex? Are you still hanging off his every word? Do you still believe Jesus is coming next month? Do you still believe that Ron is one of the two final witnessess as described in Revelation? Do you still believe all mentioned in Revelation will happen between now and 27th May?

It's what 'you' believe that is important Doctorex. is that what 'you' believe!

Not long now. Glad to be back after mods deleted me for questioning them.

27th May.... whoooohoooo.

Ronald Weinland has chickened out and now states that he and wife will NOT die in Jerusalem.

In this weekend’s sermon, at 12 minutes into the file:

www.cog-pkg.org...

The two witnesses will not be killed in the literal city of Jerusalem. And their dead bodies will not lie in the streets for 3 1/2 days. God’s two witnesses will live right up to the coming of Jesus Christ, coming to this earth as the king of kings. This 3 1/2 days spoken of here about the two witnesses is fully about the past nearly 3 1/2 years, what we have been living.

Feb 10th "the stage is being set" !!!! (Weinlands site)

5 weeks left for everything to occur?

Strange we have a date when the Bible says we won't know the day or the hour?

Back in 2008 this blog said "Nothing yet...."

and in May 2012....... guess what.... NOTHING yet.

Sorry Doctorex, hanging on by your fingernails in blind (wrote blond by mistake but well maybe) hope is not faith, well not the type Jesus speaks of anyway.

We should not be afraid of things we can absolutely know.

Christ you WILL KNOW...not maybe...or sorta....or kinda...He said you would KNOW...by the FRUITS.

ONE (not the main one) of the fruits of a prophet is FULFILLED PROPHECY....prophecy being fulfilled 100% as the prophet spoke it. Not sort of close, but EXACTLY.

When Moses pronounced 10 prophetic plagues to come upon Egypt.
He got 10 out of 10, and they all happened exactly as he spoke them.

Ronald Weinland.....so far....his score card is a big fat zero.

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib


Not quite correct. When Agabus prophecied over Paul it didn't come true. Just thought I'd throw a spanner in the works from a NT example. Thrwoing scripture around doesn't always make it spiritual. Even Satan used scripture and his followers do too.

Ron could useAgabus as an example. You need something more concrete, more practical and more obvious.

If you truely believed Christ was returning soon you would sell everything and give it to the poor as commanded. He hasn't ....

Here is a good explanation of the Agabus prophesy about Paul...

NOW CONCERNING AGABUS

In Acts 21:10, 11 we read, “And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”

Grudem uses this prophecy as a typical example of NT prophecy, which can contain mistakes and errors. He looks at Acts 21:27-35 and suggests that neither of Agabus’ predictions came true. “Paul was not bound by the Jews but by the Romans, and far from delivering Paul over to the Romans, they tried to kill him, and he had to be delivered from the Jews by the soldiers.”[8] Grudem further comments:

...it is not that Agabus has spoken in a totally false or misleading way; it is just that he has the details wrong. But this kind of minor inaccuracy is exactly compatible with the type of prophecy we found earlier in 1 Corinthians, in which the prophet receives some kind of revelation and then reports it in his own words. He would have a “divine authority of general content” (Paul would be imprisoned at Jerusalem), but with the details wrong.[9]

D.A. Carson also states with reference to Agabus, “I can think of no reported Old Testament prophet whose prophecies are so wrong on the details.”[10]

Someone is surely wrong here, but I would suggest that it is Grudem and Carson, not Agabus or the Holy Spirit. Let’s look more carefully at this prophecy. To begin with we are dealing with a prophet whose reputation precedes him. In Acts 11:27 he “showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar.” At the very least, the accuracy of this prophecy leads us to expect the same from his next prophecy.

Next, note the continuity with Old Testament prophets as is reflected by the graphic symbolism of Agabus’ binding of his own hands and feet with Paul’s belt. Not only does it put this prophecy on a level with Isaiah 20, Jeremiah 13, and Ezekiel 24, it also is an indication of the certainty Agabus must have felt regarding its fulfillment.

Especially telling, however, is the introductory phrase, “Thus says the Holy Spirit”, followed by what the Holy Spirit said. In the NT the formula "Tade legei" (“these are the words of”) is only found here and in Rev. 2, 3 at the beginning of each of the seven letters to the churches in Asia. In the LXX, this is the common rendering of “Thus says the Lord”. Agabus was surely quite aware that by his symbolic actions and introductory words he was placing himself on the same inspired level as the holy men of God of the Old Testament who were borne along by the Holy Spirit.

But what about the “mistakes” Grudem alleges? Let’s consider the second one first. Contrary to what Grudem says, the Jews did deliver Paul over to the Romans. They might not have done it willingly at first, but they still did do it! This is supported by Paul’s own statement in Acts 28:17, “...I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans...” But did the Jews bind Paul? Surely they did, in the sense that it was because of their hatred that Paul was bound to start with. It was at their insistence that he not be released, but remain a prisoner at Caesarea (Acts 24:27). The Jews at Jerusalem were just as responsible for Paul’s being bound as earlier Jews were for Jesus being crucified. They may not have personally and literally done the job, but their hatred brought it about (in the plan and purpose of God).

If Grudem demanded this kind of rigid literalism in the fulfillment of OT prophecy, what would he do with “I will send you Elijah the prophet” (Mal. 4:5)? Did Malachi only have an “authority of general content” at this point? Was he, like Agabus, mistaken? Or does the fulfillment explain what God meant when He inspired the prophet to say what he did? Sure the latter is the case with Malachi, and, I submit, with Agabus as well.

Oh, and here is the really big "doozy"...

Ronald Weinland makes the claim that the Two Witnesses dying was put into the bible BY GOD to deceive Satan.

Yes.

You heard that right.

God LIED.

He put this falsehood into the bible to deceive Satan.

But to do that, God would by LYING. God would have COMMITTED A SIN.

Do those that follow him, comprehend the magnitude of what Ronald Weinland claimed??????

Apparantly not, because all the members should have "run for the door".

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Not long now. Glad to be back after mods deleted me for questioning them.

27th May.... whoooohoooo.

thats my Birthday :/

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib


EU PLOT TO SCRAP BRITAIN
Friday May 4,2012 -- express.co.uk - Daily Express

"SENIOR Eurocrats are secretly plotting to create a super-powerful EU president to realise their dream of abolishing ­Britain and other nation states, the Daily Express can reveal.

A covert group of EU foreign ministers has drawn up plans for merging the jobs currently done by Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, and Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.

The new bureaucrat, who would not be directly elected by voters, is set to get sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union. Tellingly, the UK has been excluded from the confidential discussions within the shady “Berlin Group” of Europhile politicians, spearheaded by German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle.

Opponents fear the plan could create a modern-day equivalent of the European emperor envisaged by Napoleon Bonaparte or a return to the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne that dominated Europe in the Dark Ages. They are concerned that David Cameron’s coalition Government is doing nothing to prevent the sinister plot. The secret talks were uncovered by Independent Labour peer Lord Stoddart of Swindon.

“This is a plot by people who want to abolish nation states and create a United States of Europe,” he said. “The whole thing is barmy. These people are determined to achieve their final objective.

“The only hope for Britain is to leave the EU and become an independent nation.”

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2008: God's Final Witness - pg. 124

"For many years now, there has been a growing desire among many Europeans for the revival of an old Europe into a single United States of Europe, replacing and surpassing the United States of America as the predominant power in the world. Many in Europe are frustrated with, what they see, as too slow a pace in the progress of these goals. A bond of unity among some of these nations is becoming stronger, while their frustrations are mounting against those who are seen as slowing the process. There is deep resentment and growing bitterness toward these nations (especially Great Britain) who won’t join together for a stronger euro.

Satan’s release from restraint will move him to exercise greater power and influence over the unity of Europe. Satan has exercised his influence and power to deceive and create havoc during every revival of the Holy Roman Empire. He will stir up ten nations in Europe who will take control of all power over the European Union. Only those ten nations will agree to lend their power as one.

Germany will once again be the principal driving force behind a united Europe. As in the sixth revival of the Holy Roman Empire, which led into World War II, this seventh prophetic and last revival will lead into a full blown World War III. And, like a scorpion that strikes quickly without notice, a new United States of Europe will swiftly exercise great military power that it already has in its possession under the cloak of NATO. This will occur at a very specific moment in time.

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Well at least your argument about batting 0% is looking less likely, this seems to be an EXACT fulfillment (assuming when this is finalized there are 10, or at least 9 + vatican).

So many in this thread are obsessed with timing, and not obsessed with truth revealed, you see a great sign of God's prophets are found in truth revealed. Have you all read the 57 truths on the website? What is your take on them? After it is the truth that sanctifies you (sets you apart for Holy use and purpose).

Again the timing of events was never given to Ron Weinland as he has said from day one, only the timing of the final date May 27th 2012, and the date the sealing occured and countdown began.

God Bless,

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
Oh, and here is the really big "doozy"...

Ronald Weinland makes the claim that the Two Witnesses dying was put into the bible BY GOD to deceive Satan.

Yes.

You heard that right.

God LIED.

He put this falsehood into the bible to deceive Satan.

But to do that, God would by LYING. God would have COMMITTED A SIN.

Do those that follow him, comprehend the magnitude of what Ronald Weinland claimed??????

Apparantly not, because all the members should have "run for the door".

edit on 3-5-2012 by SirPaulMuaddib because: (no reason given)

Please stop insinuating what was said, it does not help anyone to read garbage like this. What was revealed is that the truth has been there the whole time, the 3 1/2 days the prophets would lay dead for the whole world to see is spiritual, 3 1/2 days = 3 1/2 years; the very time period we have been living in to this day.

You see this very thread and the clear hatered shown towards the ones God sent as a witness to this age is proof of this spiritual truth, you all living is the city called "Sodom"(sin) and "Egpyt"(slavery due to sin) have been celebrating and exchanging gifts; putting down, cheering when your false physical interpretations are revealed to be spiritual and beautiful in truth yet you use them to ridicule and slander God's prophets. You see to the world (Sodom and Egypt) Ron Weinland is dead, and has been walked all over by Satan and his host (those who live in blindness to the truth of Almighty God). Everytime your blindness to the ability to think spiritually causes you to celebrate a precieved fault you have found in God's servants you are daily fulfilling what was revealed, unknowingly.

You must have God's spirit in order to think spiritually, and God cannot dwell in sin, therefore if you are in sin, you cannot think spiritually.

sin = the transgresion of the law.

What law?

THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

Learn to truth (57 truths), repent of what is false and join God's people in celebration for the Kingdom of God is at hand and soon all alive will become subjects in such a Kingdom, that is after May 27th 2012.

What was said sir is that the spiritual understanding of the scripture has always been there, but Satan has never understood the spiritual intent of that scripture until last week when God revealed it through his servant the prophets, as all truth has been revealed by God throughout time.

Satan cannot see spiritually (discernment) because he has been cutoff from the flow of God's spirit, which is Holy because it belongs to Him. Only God's Holy spirit can allow you to see spiritually.

God Bless,

The False Prophet is not going to stand up and claim to be a false prophet, but nevertheless he is a false prophet anyway.

Just because Ronald Weinland does not explicitly say that God lied, does not mean this is not exactly what he said.

It is impossible not only for Christ to return this month, it will not happen this year.
There are many clear prophecies and their DURATION has been explicitly spelled out as 3 1/2 years.
The Tribulation is clearly and concisely stated as enduring for 3 1/2 years (2 1/2 year + Day of Lord Year = 3 1/2 years).

Is is stated as 42 months, 1260 days, times + time + half a time.....

But Ronald Weinland does not believe God, he comes up with a clever lie, God changed His mind, and decided it would all happen....on one day, the last day.

When Christ does not return this month, I realize you will still find a way to convince yourself that he is God's prophet, despite not a single thing being fulfilled, even the non-return of Christ would not dissuade you of his falsehood.

Plus he will probably be serving jail time....for SIN....by defrauding the government.

My question to ElohimJD

If Christ does not return this month on May 26th or 27th.

Is Ronald Weinland still a true prophet or is he a false prophet?

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that cometh up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do men look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell on the earth rejoice over them, and make merry; and they shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE (a physical PLACE) their Lord was crucified.

You can believe Ronald Weinland's lie, and his excuse that Sodom and Egypt is "spiritual" but the bible interprets itself. It calls "Sodom and Egypt" a "where" a location it interprets this as the place, the physical location where the Lord was crucified. (while the world can be typed after Sodom and Egypt, it is not so here, here it is a location).

A) Rev 11:10 And they that dwell on the earth rejoice over them
The world does not know them. Nor does it rejoice over them in any form.
The majority (I believe, it's hard to tell) of those that object to Ronald Weinland come from WCG backgrounds

B) and make merry; and they shall send gifts one to another;
No one has send gifts to one another on account of RW in any shape or form at all.


C) because these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth.
They have not tormented those that dwell on earth at all.
Quite the contrary, RW was scared away by a comedian at a conference because what the comedian said tormented RW.

No, Ronald Weinland has fulfilled nothing.

As for united Europe....yes, that is coming. The one that will be "president" or king over it will rule for 1260 days.
Thus making it impossible for Christ to return this month.

My challenge to ElohimJD

Please do name a SINGLE prophecy that Ronald Weinland has fulfilled.

A non-ambiguous prophecy, an explicit prophecy with explicit dates, explicit places, peoples, explicit plagues, exactly as Moses did, that has been fulfilled.

Has he
1) Breathed fire? (Ronald's Weinland figurative interpretation didn't work out so well, since he claims these are exacting judgements on his enemies, none of which came to pass "early on" or "later on")
2) Turned rivers to blood?
3) Stopped the rain?
4) Cast any literal plagues?
5) Tormented the world with physical plagues of every kind (like Moses did with Egypt)?

Also awaiting answer for
If Christ does not return this month on May 26th or 27th.

Is Ronald Weinland still a true prophet or is he a false prophet?

Less than 2 weeks left for

Beast Power / False Prophet to show up
Beast Power / False Prophet to deceive world/enforce mark of beast
1/3 of grass to be burned up.
1/4 of man to be killed by war
another 1/3 to be killed by 200mllion man army
5 different major earthquakes
Martyrdom of many saints
Merchants of Babylon to become rich and wealthy.
Signs in Heavens
Two Witnesses to be killed (oh wait, Ronald Weinland spiritualized that away)
Captivity of latter day descendents of Israel.
Their trek (after being freed from captivity) to Jerusalem.

ALL IN THE NEXT 2 WEEKS.

either that, or Ronald Weinland is a false prophet.

With less than two weeks left, you would think Ronald Weinland and all his members would sell all their belongings and put that all into ad campaigns and/or move to Jerusalem for the final two weeks.

Are they doing that?

If not, why not?

How much faith do they really have, if they are not doing this?

How much faith does Ronald Weinland have?