Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Hm, is that the big old flag of HOAX flying over this guy? It is!

Marked.

The problem I think is outside of the big huge one, of not being one of the Two Witnesses, is that Ronald Weinland's doctrinal landscape is a huge mix of truth and error.

In the garden of Eden, the forbidden tree was the tree of the knowledge of Good AND Evil. It was a mixture.

So now the problem (I think) is that because RW teaches some truth (like the Sabbath and Holy Days), that based on that, some of his followers will then make the false assumption that all his teachings are true.

They aren't.

As I've mentioned a couple of times, one of his monstrously huge doctrinal pitfalls, deals with his teaching that Jesus did not exist eternally.

On this basis alone, one can conclude that he is not one of the Two Witnesses. The fact that he's completely botched up on his prophetic timings (which were meant to be proof of his identity), and that the two first Trumpets are long overdue (according to him), is just "icing on the cake".



[edit on 26-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

ronald weinland is about to fail in what he has been speaking about. PEOPLE, it looks like he is about to keep taking you on a ride. it is time to relieze he is not who he says he is.
mathew 24:23-28
then if anyone says to you, 'look, here is the christ! or 'there!' do not believe it. for false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to decieve, if possible, even the elect. see, i have told you beforehand.
matthew 24:36-44
but of that day and hour no one knows, net even the angels of heaven, but my father only. but as the days of noah were, so also will the coming of the son of man be. for as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage , until the day that noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the son of man be. then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and the other left. watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your lord is coming. but know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. therefore you also be ready, for the son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
open your eyes and ears. after july 16th you will see. he has show you already that his is not true. he has show great signs but he has show false predictions. do not keep being decieved. ask for repentance and ask god to show you the truth. he will if your heart really wants him to. god bless anyone who reads this.

wow has anyone been to his site lately?

he wrote this on the 24th

"This sermon will explain why the final three and one-half years of tribulation has not yet begun. It will explain why the final sealing of the 144,000 has not yet occurred. It is all very exciting, and this is indeed good news for God’s Church that this sermon can be given. I’m very glad and feel very blessed to know that I can now give that sermon this Sabbath and not have to wait until Trumpets to do so."

is he totally reverting his whole entire belief? this is just incredible

im wondering what he plans on saying this sabbath

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That's right MCD. Absolutley unbelievable!
This guy has not only lost his humility he's now shown to be a coniving liar and worse believes he still the 'man' of God and even worse thereare some who still 'cling' to his every preprepared 'sermon' deviod of any current and continuous revelation like I enjoy from my church.
My Pastor, at his worst, in one session of preaching, could provide more accurate life changing revelation than RW will give in the next 3 1/2 years (I say that because unless God takes him out he'll still be sermonising about things 'God' is about to do and the dates will be out to about 2030 or something.
Ron honour your word - you said you WOULD! (You liar. I call you that because you are. And for Doctorex's benefit; It's not a judgment, he's done that to himself... it's just simply a fact. RW, you have denied your own words that you said were Gods words. You've not done what you promised from your mouth in those earlier interviews. Men of God do not change their minds...They hear from God or they hear from Satan... and you are not hearing from God!

New Truth = Everything RW Taught in past was completely wrong.


I realize that many of Ronald Weinland's followers will stick to him like glue for the next 1260 days. That is unfortunate for them.

It's good to hear that one or two (who post here) were followers, but used their own eyes to see the evidence was just not there. Not only was the evidence not there, but the proof according to RW's own mouth was not there. The proof of his identity did not come to pass, so that those who follow him are without excuse.



[edit on 27-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

You guys are simply rattling off your mouths, you don't know why RW has decided to keep preaching. What would you think if the timing pattern RW was given by God was correct, but because the church had always previously believed it should lead up to a certain day, he began the timing on the wrong day, but now God had revealed the correct day, and the timing fit absolutely perfectly? Don't you think this would answer why what RW had thought should have taken place by now hadn't? Why he hadn't begun his job as one of the two witnesses? What if now once this new truth is revealed by God, (which has some amazing coincidences attached), the final piece to the puzzel, things start happening as RW said they would? No, don't bother answering that question, you made up your minds months ago that RW was false. And don't expect this to be dragged out to "2030", expect another 6 months at best, 2008 will and in a sense has already begun God's final witness. If you want to know what I'm talking about, listen to this weeks sermon. You may ask how I know this already, but the answer to that is, I just do. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

This will be my last post on this topic, because if the last couple of months has showed me anything, it is a complete waste of time discussing it. God makes known to those he chooses, and if God wanted you to know at this point, you would know already, but all in good time.

God bless.

[edit on 27/6/08 by doctorex]

reply to post by doctorex

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Greetings Doctorex.....I admire your resolve and courage for that matter....But ,to stop posting ,would be a failure on your behalf to inform us all of any events we might miss....after all,correct me if Iam wrong,you are a deciple not a teacher, according to RW,and as I see it you have a responsibility to learn, and part of the learning process is,to develope the wisdom to discern good education from bad education....STICK AROUND we need you.....as you know there are many, according to RW, that are coming along...

DrEx, Ronald Weinland's position is completely defenseless.

For a while I seriously considered that you were joking, in your continued defense of RW. It is not that you were or would be convinced by "us", or anybody opposed to RW, but that you continued your support of him, in light of RW's own "apology" (whatever you want to call it) that none of the prophecies (i.e. Trumpets, increased Thunders), have come to pass was surprising.

It can be proven that the Thunders have NOT increased, by the very charts YOU supplied.

The 1st Trumpet and the 2nd Trumpet have simply not happened.
This is not based on my word, but on the words of RW himself.

Ronald Weinland, to be quite blunt, is in contact with the demon world, the demons DO KNOW some of what the future holds, because they are allowed to influence it, base on their own plans, God permits this just as he permitted Satan to curse Job. This is how psychics, "know" the future, it is because demons speak to them, and the demons will then take care of things to help "fulfill" the prophecy of the psychic.

The idea that Ronald Weinland was "blinded" for the 1st 6 months of the final 3 1/2 years as some sort of "test” is utterly ludicrous.

This would be tantamount to God PURPOSELY falsifying his Two Witnesses, and putting lying words in his (Ronald Weinland's) mouth. While God has *allowed* this (lying words) to be put in the mouth of FALSE prophets, He would NEVER do so with his own Two Witnesses who are testifying ON HIS BEHALF.




[edit on 27-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

I'm sorry TJ, but it is completely pointless for me to post here, it's like spitting into the wind. I will give one last example of why I believe RW to still be a prophet. Imagine God says to you that so many days before the return of Christ, this will begin a certain time pattern, and it begins in 2008. Now imagine that you and the church have always assumed that Christ would return on a certain Holy Day, but this incorrect belief had not yet been revealed by God. Based on what you think to be correct (remember you are not yet one of the two witnesses), you calculate that patterned time-line, but since since you count back from the wrong day, it is incorrect. Did God put lying words in your mouth? No, he did not, human nature made you incorrect. Now imagine God does reveals to you the last missing piece of the puzzle, and everything fits more perfectly than you could have imagined, beyond coincidence, and makes 10 fold more sense, and explains everything that seemed to be a contradiction. Would you acknowledge your mistake, repent, and give the correct time-line? We are all human, and the fact that this new revealed truth is the 50th, and exactly what it entails in connection with that,, is to me beyond coincidence. I haven't even heard from the ministry what this is, yet I feel I know already and understand. That itself gives me more conviction. Anyway TJ, take care and God bless.

I will give you many last examples why he is not a prophet: everything he has ever said ever. At least my clock is right twice a day.

10 things RW has been accurate about so far...

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I sooooooo can't believe that this thread is 'still' going....I say let it die...that if there is still naive enough people that believe this 'money scam artiest', than so be it, let them follow him to learn their lesson.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

wrong post, deleted

[edit on 28-6-2008 by spaznotz]

reply to post by doctorex

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Hey doctorex check your U2U.

-Later

doctorex: "Would you acknowledge your mistake, repent,..."

He seems to hint at not repenting on some lies and repenting on other lies
in his "own" special way...whatever that will entail. And of course he nicely leaves out the why, how,when specifics of such monumental en devour. Not to be questioned. I cant seem to find this passage in the Bible...
where the witnesses repent...that would require demonic thinking (as he suggests)...

A shocking revelation from him is that for him it's a learning process.
That's right the end-time witness (x2) whilst witnessing (or in this case re-starts witnessing) will learn along the way...And since he sometimes has to learn (code name for b.s.) naturally some mistakes of his will have to be "overlooked" by his congregation. How assuring. All this recently culminated in his famous restart #1 ("whoops") and when restart #2 ("whoopsy") starts anyone still trapped will have his/her brain cells turned into toast. A horrifying revelation from him is that no matter what happens (a.k.a not happen) they will "continue on."
These are just parts and glimpses thus far of the mind control and manipulation techniques he practices and utilizes to keep the congregation steadfast and more importantly tithing.
Stay tuned it seems there will be more revised revelations from yours truly, Mr. False Prophet.

To Summarize...

Ronald Weinland "Nothing I said would happen, happened. But it will!"

How can any serious Christian swallow this horse marlocky?


I do not think that Ronald Weinland truly understands the nature of his position.

Did the OT prophets sin? Did they make mistakes? Will the true Two Witnesses sin?

Yes, every prophet (except That Prophet : Jesus Christ) has sinned.

This is not the same as prophesying and having the prophecies fail. You will not find a single true prophet in the entirety of the whole bible, where his prophecy failed.


Let's examine some OT scriptures, and see what it says when a prophet fails...





Oh....wait, wrong bible, I think that was Ronald Weinland's bible.






One might have a basis for supporting RW, if a single thing he said came to pass. At least one would have a leg to stand on, but you when you consider the monumental blunders BY HIS OWN ADMISSION where the 1st and 2nd Trumpet + Tribulation + Sealing of 144,000 HAVING NOT COME TO PASS. How can any serious Christian accept any more teachings from this guy?

The COG-PKG should thrust him out onto the street...at least that would show they had an ounce of discernment.

Under OT rules, a prophet whose prophecy COMES TRUE, was put to death if he led the people away from God to false gods.

Note again, this is when the prophecy CAME TRUE. How much more serious is it when the prophet's prophecy fails??



There was a reason God commanded such a punishment, far from being cruel, it was the most merciful thing ever. To allow a false prophet to live would allow that him to lead the whole nation astray, where they would eventually depart from God.

That was OT Israel, for NT Christians, the rules are different.



A NT Christian has many responsibilities. He should TRY THE SPIRITS. He is not expected to accept anything, any apostle or prophet says.










The Philadelphian Christians were praised, because they TRIED (tested) the apostles, and tried the spirits, to see if they were true or false.





"tried" : from the Greek peirazo, it means to test, scrutinize, assay, examine, TO PROVE.


Now the supreme irony, is not that Ronald Weinland prophecies HAVE COME TRUE. It's just the opposite, they have PROVEN FALSE. And yet he still has people following him Not only has he been PROVEN FALSE, he has been proven false BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.


A Christian is RESPONSIBLE for working out his or hers own salvation, and to not be led about like blind sheep into some pit.








Most will not hear, most will not anoint their eyes so they can see. This is the Laodicean Condition. THEY ARE BLIND. They need someone who is sighted to lead them out. (and I don't mean me)

Is the Sabbath true? Yes.
Are the Holy Days true? Yes.

Take that truth and flee.


[edit on 29-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

I can't believe I acutally considered this guy at one time. I can't believe I still have his two books in my house... mainly for research of what not to follow. I can't believe he has the nerve to change his prophecy!!! FALSE PROPHET!!!

I have only read a bit about this guy. And I was interested at fist. Until none of his prophecies came true. This is how I see it
After many years of god sending prophets who never failed him, God for whatever reason, decides to try some thing new. He sends R.W . Some one who is argent enough to spin it his way. God watches R.W, Preach and post his wrong prophecies. Instead of steeping in to correct rw. He sits back and has a giggle. Waits for the due date to pass, then he decides ok I’ll put this R.W out of his misery. I love god when he has a sense of humor lol
Why didn’t god know he was dealing with a gob shi#te?
But never mind R.W. has now laid the foundations to continue to screw it up. After all, when he fails again he can always say I’m only human, I got the dates mixed up.


[edit on 30/6/08 by iammonkey]

I distinctly remember him saying in a UK radio program in his own words, that if his prophecy didnt come true by June 2008 he would annouce that he was a false prophet and openly anounce that he was wrong about his position.
has he done that yet?