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Is the New World Order really good?

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posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by HuntaXX
it might start out small like getting friends out of trouble or impressing a girl you like by getting into a famous restaurant without a reservation.


How old are you, exactly? I would suggest that your young mind has been exploited by fear mongering propaganda. Don't worry though, you'll probably grow out of it.



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by benign.psychosis

Originally posted by Nohup
For some misinformed and paranoid people, the NWO represents every horrible evil of the Nazis and "1984" and every sci-fi dystopia ever imagined, with mind control, concentration camps, and mass slavery. Where they get these ideas is anybody's guess, most likely from people who like to cook up fictions that play to people's basic paranoid fears and make a few bucks from them.


The ideas are also carried on and spread to other people by the misinformed. All one has to do is hear something about the federal reserve, and the next thing you know, they visit conspiracy sites,and communities such as this that only serve to reinforce their paranoid ideas. It is a vicious cycle.



As it is, the NWO will be created as a response to the increasing interdependency of all people and nations on the planet. The planet is becoming far too interconnected to let random catastrophes and the actions of a few people disrupt the flow of goods and information. As it is, a drought in Brazil has a huge effect on cattle production in Australia, which will affect markets in America and Japan. A farmer in Nebraska is directly affected by floods in the Ukraine. The problems created by this interdependency are too complex for any one country or stray group of countries to manage, and the U.N. has proven itself to be ineffective because it has no power to back up its judgments. And even with the economic power it has, it's not fair for the United States to have to bear the economic burden of being the world's policeman (or the world's rescue service, as in the case of the 2004 tsunami).


No power, exactly. The so called illegal war that is happening now is nothing more than a precedence for that ability. When the over riding body has the ability to ignore national sovereignty, then it can enforce order. Right now, the tool it has to enforce it is NATO, which is hardly organized.



The NWO will essentially be an administrative overlay on top of the currently international government structure. It would be mostly be involved in regulating and monitoring commerce by standardizing money and communications protocols. Other functions would include researching the planet to determine optimum population levels, and developing agencies for preparing and responding to large scale weather disasters such as droughts, blizzards, tsunamis or a possible asteroid strike.


It will be something akin to the federal government in its relation to each state of the union. The United States is an tiny NWO is disguise, and works great when it doesn't have to exert itself on the rest of the world. Each country is going to have to give up certain rights, just as each state gave up certain rights to get in the union.



Advanced technologies will be used in the monitoring process, and are a natural progression of current technologies. Tracking people (generally not individually, but at least statistically) will be necessary to determine contact routes and speed of spread in the event of a pandemic, as well as to find out ways to optimize power use and transportation services. The tracking will have some limited use for local law enforcement to locate and apprehend criminals. If you're not a criminal, that's a good thing! Otherwise, it won't be that much different than the cell phone you already carry, which can provide GPS location information.


An accurate depiction.



The thing most detractors don't seem to understand is that they are already under the "control" of several layers of government. The NWO would just be an upper layer. If you're not involved in any activity that is going to damage the environment or hinder commerce, it's really not going to be interested in you. And it's been proven time and again that the carrot works much better than the stick when it comes to increasing productivity, so rather than slave labor camps, what you're more likely to see are more jobs and social welfare programs that keep people healthy, happy and working hard to get more cookies.


The paranoids get the same idea about cops. The police protect the people that they don't have to interact with. It's the criminals, oddballs and whackos that exhibit signs of not being able to civily enjoy the benefits of society - trying to destroy the country with their shouts of conspiracy and control that they spew forth like a disgusting dank odor.
*laughs* i see you went to a lot of effort there but any intelligent person can see the massive gaps in your logic and the motivation behind your disinformation and since ive already done what i set out to do *waters the seed of truth* ill leave the educated people here to point out all your errors and the uneducated to believe whatever helps them cope with a reality they aren't strong enough to face yet. i am needed elsewhere for a bit but lets do this again sometime, never hurts to stay in practice spotting your kind


[edit on 21-2-2008 by HuntaXX]



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by benign.psychosis

Originally posted by HuntaXX
it might start out small like getting friends out of trouble or impressing a girl you like by getting into a famous restaurant without a reservation.


How old are you, exactly? I would suggest that your young mind has been exploited by fear mongering propaganda. Don't worry though, you'll probably grow out of it.



i had to choose something all ages could relate to and be careful not to post anything that might offend some people so i think i chose well. seeing how fast you were in trying to insult me and the fact your massive ego attempts to elevate yourself above me by attempting to drag me down speaks volumes of your character. have a nice night *laughs*



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by HuntaXX
*laughs* i see you went to a lot of effort there but any intelligent person can see the massive gaps in your logic and the motivation behind your disinformation and since ive already done what i set out to do *waters the seed of truth* ill leave the educated people here to point out all your errors and the uneducated to believe whatever helps them cope with a reality they aren't strong enough to face yet. i am needed elsewhere for a bit but lets do this again sometime, never hurts to stay in practice spotting your kind


My only suggestion is to try and recognize the motives and agendas of the people who want to tweak your fears with a lot of boogie man fiction. If you are really that worried about being monitored and "controlled," you wouldn't be posting messages on the Internet in one of the most popular (and likely most monitored) conspiracy/alternate news sites. You'd be hunkering in a cave somewhere in Montana with a modified assault rifle in one hand and a copy of Revelation in the other.



posted on Feb, 22 2008 @ 02:11 AM
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I can see the flaws of your logic Nohup. First, you think that a world government would be good. Exactly why would giving this much power to a small group of people be good? And how exactly is believing in a New World Order paranoia? The New World Order will not be like any other government. Under a New World Order people will probably not have elections. Countries will be forced to disarm. People will be sent to labor camps. People say that they are going to have too much power because it is known what happens in history when a single group has that much power. That group will be able to determine our beliefs. That group will take away our constitution. That group will take away our rights. It will erradicate our beliefs system. No their beliefs system is not better than ours, you see, they are trying to plan it so that everyone will gladly accept them, so they are forcing their moles into powerful governments so that turmoil can ensue and so that we will accept them because we won't want anymore fighting.

The New World Order will eliminate people who they see as a threat because they will want to maintain their power base. They have already released propaganda via Hollywood movies and the news. They already have got you thinking that governing is good. Governing is just a system of control. We only need control for countries with boundaries. They claim if they erase boundaries that they will be able to control the entire world. That works in theory, but, countries are so different from one another, that they would become unmanageable.

Yes, the New World Order does exist. George H Bush used the term "New World Order" a lot in the 1990s. It is not unclear as to what their objectives are. They don't want to govern they want control, as in, complete control.

Nohup, what you're failing to see, is, that even though they may have good intentions to serve as a upper level of the government that there are already people in power that want to control everyone. They want to control our minds. They want to make sure that we are without will. There are people that are also in power that want to keep that in check.

It's not so much that the New World Order would be bad it's the worry that there would be people that would be bad that would be running it. If evil people gain control of the emerging New World Order than it will be all over for us. If good people gain control of the emerging New World Order than it might do some good.

It all depends on what kind of New World Order is going to be in power.



posted on Feb, 23 2008 @ 02:58 AM
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Actually, Revelation speaks about a new world order ruled over by Jesus. Surely that can't be bad, can it? I guess the first NWO that rules will be the bad anti-Christ NWO and then will come the good Christ NWO. No matter which one you choose, you will no longer be an individual, just a cog in the entire entity.



posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Maverickhunter
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I can see the flaws of your logic Nohup. First, you think that a world government would be good. Exactly why would giving this much power to a small group of people be good? And how exactly is believing in a New World Order paranoia? The New World Order will not be like any other government. Under a New World Order people will probably not have elections. Countries will be forced to disarm. People will be sent to labor camps. People say that they are going to have too much power because it is known what happens in history when a single group has that much power. That group will be able to determine our beliefs. That group will take away our constitution. That group will take away our rights. It will erradicate our beliefs system. No their beliefs system is not better than ours, you see, they are trying to plan it so that everyone will gladly accept them, so they are forcing their moles into powerful governments so that turmoil can ensue and so that we will accept them because we won't want anymore fighting.

The New World Order will eliminate people who they see as a threat because they will want to maintain their power base. They have already released propaganda via Hollywood movies and the news. They already have got you thinking that governing is good. Governing is just a system of control. We only need control for countries with boundaries. They claim if they erase boundaries that they will be able to control the entire world. That works in theory, but, countries are so different from one another, that they would become unmanageable.

Yes, the New World Order does exist. George H Bush used the term "New World Order" a lot in the 1990s. It is not unclear as to what their objectives are. They don't want to govern they want control, as in, complete control.

Nohup, what you're failing to see, is, that even though they may have good intentions to serve as a upper level of the government that there are already people in power that want to control everyone. They want to control our minds. They want to make sure that we are without will. There are people that are also in power that want to keep that in check.

It's not so much that the New World Order would be bad it's the worry that there would be people that would be bad that would be running it. If evil people gain control of the emerging New World Order than it will be all over for us. If good people gain control of the emerging New World Order than it might do some good.

It all depends on what kind of New World Order is going to be in power.

While you made some very good points i wouldn't worry about trying to make Nohup see any sense since hes merely swapping masks in an attempt to cloud our judgment. once you know how they think they become so very visible and predictable



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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You may very well be right in stating that the New World Order is a good thing. I'm contemplating setting up a blog in order to elaborate on my reasons for believing that this is likely. Most people realize that global government in some form is necessary in order for the human race to secure peace, eliminating war, terrorism, human rights abuses and poverty. It's natural for people to fear the change from long established feelings of nationalism to a system that has yet to be completely established. New things are always feared by people because they represent the unknown and people are more comfortable with the familiar. I'd like to point out however that in this instance the familiar has been constant war, inequality, poverty and ignorance. Would it mot be better if the darkness of ignorance were illuminated by the torch of knowledge? The reason that people fear the so called Illuminati is the same reason that they fear a New World Government. It represents an unknown to them. This is because of the secrecy surrounding the Illuminati and a closely affiliated group the Freemasons. As time passes the secrecy will fall as these groups reveal more about their natures and their benevolent intentions. I'd like to point out that George Washington was a Freemason as were other US Presidents? Do those here considering themselves true patriots honestly believe that George Washington was an evil man conspiring to create a dictatorship which would one day control the world when in fact he was largely responsible for helping to establish our Republic? To me this does not seem logical.
For those that believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible and are continually attempting to interpret the very enigmatic book of Revelations I'd like to offer a possible way of viewing this prophecy which may have been overlooked. If someone has already proposed this I apologize for not giving them credit. I arrived at these conclusions independently. Since most of the texts of the Bible were written by Jews and Christ himself was a Jew I'd like to start with conjecture that Revelations may have been written as a specific message to the Jewish people. If this is so then Adolph Hitler who wished to establish a dictatorial, fascist world order could be seen as "the Antichrist". During his life he attempted to establish a state religion that was in many ways NOT based on true Christianity. Christianity teaches love and forgiveness. Jesus himself seemed to promote the values of socialism, true socialism which is more akin to communism. There was nothing Christian about the fascism of Nazi Germany. Adolph Hitler also believed that the third reich would last a thousand years. The holocaust itself lasted seven years from 1938 to 1945. Could this be the seven years of tribulation mentioned in Revelation? During those seven years the Jews received numbers!!! The mark of "the beast"? The were not allowed to buy or sell. I ask those of you that read the Bible to note the passages in Revelation referring to the tribes of Jews which are saved. Does this not show that Revelation was written as a book to address the Jewish people? All of this is of course conjecture on my part but it shows that there are many ways to interpret prophecy. Who is to say which interpretation is correct. If my view stated here is right then this world government that is forming could be what is metaphorically called "the new Earth" AKA the New World Order. Everyone is so quick to condemn our leaders as evil, self serving demons when in fact they are human beings trying to do their best. Yes they are not perfect. I've yet to see a human being that is perfect but because they make mistakes does not make them bad people. Remember another quote from Christ and I paraphrase, "Let he without sin cast the first stone..." I'm considering making many more posts of this nature in an attempt to illustrate the positive side of global government and global economics. The negative aspects that we have seen in some places are but growing pains. If I receive a positive response I plan on establishing a new blog site dedicated to this purpose.
If you wish to help me build such a site please consider donating. No amount is too small. If you wish to contribute send payment to my Paypal account using my e-mail [email protected]. In humbleness I thank you for considering my words. Steve



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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The NWO will collapse under its own lies.
edit on 7-5-2011 by SystemResistor because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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The evolution of complex systems lends itself leads to periodic emergeances of new organisational structures - eukaryotic cells, multi-cellular creatures, nervous systems, conciousness, social selfs, intellectual selfs etc.

Fact is the complexity of global human society and the coming technological singularity - absolutely require that individuals be strictly controlled as to their ability to act/think independently. - otherwise you have an aberrant individual with the power of nanotech, AI and genetic manipulation at his disposal. - just as it only takes one abberant cancer cell to wreck a human body of 100 billion cells.

This is the wave of the future - trouble is just who and what is riding it in order to control it!?

If for instance we all became telepathic as in some shift-ascension- 5D type scenario - then it would all work out very nicely.

On the other hand - if we are somethings 'smart monkey' project then whatever created us certainly is not going to let us borg swarm the universe as demented immortal cyborgs - they allready seem to have interfered once before in the Tower of Babel episode.

And/or - Maybe we are somethings astral lunch menu - and they dont want the cattle jumping the fences.


It is an easy sell to the NWO elites - ie the masses are just dangerously stupid irrational brutes and responsible decision making must be left to the elites.

And just as the NWO's enlist whole layers of dupes to do their bidding by creating believable agendas for them - communism, socialism, global warming, multiculturalism, ecoactivism etc etc.

So the NWO elites are probably also dupes following a believable or attractive agenda created for them.

Just looking at the results - whatever is the ultimate PTB - is interested in control and limiting our progress, only act can via influencing suitably receptive humans - and will cause untold death misery and suffering to achieve its ends.

So ....no the NWO is not good whatever the intentions of the dupes that are running it may or may not be!



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Mav, dude! That is some a$$-backward thinking but I guess it could fit if you look who we are talking about! Right on! Who says TPTB do anything that the common man understands?



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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No. The real version is not good. There is, however, a kumbaya version that's being spread to convince a certain portion of the people that it is. This is devious because when some people hear NWO they relate it to something good in their minds and so they will allow it to happen.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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are viruses good? are cults really good? might want to answer those, then answer your question again, it's okay I won't judge. in theory it may sound nice and dandy, but fact is it would be the most scientifically advanced authoritarian regime to date, the freedoms we take for granted now wouldn't even be understood in that society.




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