Is the New World Order really good?

What if the New World Order actually is good, and, the global elite want to set up a New World Order with all of the good people in power just so that it could be overthrown? That way after the New World Order falls they could restructure society exactly how they see fit.

I honestly don't believe you are actually proposing this theory. If you've researched the Illumnati, masons, globalists or listened to anything concerning UFO's, God and of the like you should know that all evidence points to the NWO as a very evil entity. Grrr... I haven't been here long, but i know your post will annoy more souls than mine...

reply to post by Maverickhunter


The "new world order" isn't really new.

It should really be called the "old world order" as those involved have been in power the whole time.

The concept of a NWO implies mind control on a large scale and using the masses as slaves to provide for the elite few.

This is kind of the setup we have now.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

However, imagine that you cannot move from your caste system.

You are either a peon or an elite.

Overlord or underling.

If you call that 'good' then sure, its a great thing.

Sign me up

The simple matter is this: we have hundreds of governments in the world that can't figure out how to take care of their people.

Would it be better to have one government with no oversight and maximum power?

You think Fascist Italy and Germany were bad?

You have no idea.

[edit on 2/21/2008 by biggie smalls]

Wow, not to be too rude, but I swear this thread, or something similar is posted here every other day.

I could probably find 20 threads discussing this EXACT thing within the past 3 mos.

I've tried to weigh it out here, and here.

It has good points and bad ones. Just another matter of opinion.

I'm not saying that the New World Order is "good" as in "great hey that's good now our national sovereignty is gone."

What I'm saying is that they are going to put all of those people in power that we want in power and then they are going to set up a staged uprising so they can take full center stage.

The New World Order could be another way for them to deceive us. Their real method of control could lie somewhere else.

[edit on 21-2-2008 by Maverickhunter]

A single governmental entity for the entire planet is where we're heading, regardless of whether anyone thinks it's a great idea or not. Humans have always had the notion of "them" and "us". When we first fell out of the trees "they" were our closest neighbouring tribe. Then "they" referred to our neighbouring village. Then "they" referred to our neighbouring proto-country. Now "they" refers to other countries. In Europe, "us" even includes other countries. Our scope of "us" is becoming increasingly larger, as we are able to travel and understand other countries. It's in everyone's best interest to have a sincere, good single government that looks after all of us. It will mean we, as a species, can focus our minds and efforts onto making this a better planet for everyone. No more rich countries and poor countries. No more borders or passports.

You don't lose sovereignty, you just re-align what "you" are. We are a single planet, a single people. We all want to be happy, to have our families happy, to not want food, water, or security.

The alternative is the world we're currently living in, though worse, due to the extremes of capitalism further pushing governments and big business into bed with each other. THAT is the future we should be scared of, not one in which we are all truly together.

Dave you're foolish. Don't you see that you're being blind by rhetoric?

You've already bought into the propaganda as done by the media.

You already believe that the idea of having a world government is a great idea.

You believe that everyone will stop fighting.

You believe that it is really the capitalists of our society that is pushing us to the edge of extinction don't you? What if all of this, all of these disasters, all of these people messing our country up were doing it intentionally to get us to believe that having a new world order would be better than having our own government? Don't you see? That's the point. They are trying to break our will. They are trying to make us give up the hope that our government can pull itself back together. In order to stop corruption we must kill it in its tracks. We must kill the corruption that people in the government that support the new world order are causing. Whether that means court martialling them for publicity or whether it means actually revolting against the United States government until this situation ends is our choice. Either way we need to make a stand. If we could have a civilized world where all countries could cooperate peacefully without the need for a world government, an economy, or this or that, then we wouldn't even need a world government in the first place. The world government isn't going to be a solution to all problems in the world. They are still going to control the news. Only now they are going to be able to control education, everyone's military, and, if people don't comply with them, the world government will respond with war.

Don't you see? It will be another way they have of enslaving us.

of course they aren't good! power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!


The only way mankind can continue to be free until we grow out of our selfish dominating nature is by having 4 or more factions of equal control each keeping the others in line and stopping any of them from going too far

[edit on 21-2-2008 by HuntaXX]

reply to post by Maverickhunter


My argument stems from a logical progression of past human beliefs, organisation, and outcome. Your argument is based on paranoia.

People need a central government to listen to the people and respond accordingly. To arbitrate disputes, to support the right and correct the wrong. Without it, society as we know it would never have reached this far. We'd all be living in mud huts scared of the next village.

You assume that a world government would be intrinsically bad, as if it could be nothing else. As history has shown, it is possible to have good governments that listen and respect the people. Are you saying a benevolent world government that treated everyone humanely would be a bad thing?

As we have seen in the west, when a country establishes a decent, or even semi-decent government, stability increases, GDP increases, life expectancy increase, happiness increases. By your logic the western free world is the third world, full of government tanks rolling over people and dead bodies lining the street. Clearly that's not the case.

Dave, if you studied this subject more you would see that theres just far too much information being suppressed for them to be innocent. even if their plot isn't as sinister as some believe its clear they do more harm than good and thats enough to make sure these people never get into a position where they aren't accountable for their actions

[edit on 21-2-2008 by HuntaXX]

Paranoid Delusions: The future *will* be bright.
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Read those. Maybe you will learn something.

Originally posted by benign.psychosis
Paranoid Delusions: The future *will* be bright.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A pill created to curb your conspirital beliefs!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read those. Maybe you will learn something.

Hahaha nice one. but i think the humor of that will be lost on most of the people here. if your being serious i feel very sad for you so i assume its meant as a joke towards how gullible some people are in believing convenient lies when they are in fact too weak to face reality and would prefer to live in delusion than admit they have to stand up and actually DO SOMETHING for a change and be accountable for their actions. its hard for some people to face the fact that bad things are happening because good people sell their own kind out for a profit and stay silent when they know the right thing to do is come forward with the truth and help each other out even if it doesn't benefit them

[edit on 21-2-2008 by HuntaXX]

reply to post by dave420

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I think that we really know so little about what is happening behind the scenes that it is impossible to make a sound judgement on this. For all we know, the world might have to unite as one in order for us to move forward in any type of galatic arrangement and disclosure is being withheld until that is achieved. I can see it both ways.

And like anothe rposter said, just maybe we need the illuminati NWO in order to usher in the "correct" NWO>

The same people that want to be in charge of the whole globe have been in charge of countries for centuries (its all in the family) and they have shown again and again how heartless and evil they are and how little regard they have for life that doesn't profit or benefit themselves in some way and all this information has come out only because of the internet as in the past they had total control of the media and have even kept the genocide of entire cities from reaching the masses (the term "gag the media" comes to mind) and if these people gain full control they will only get worse and the losers in all this will be a majority that feeds clothes and houses these ungrateful bastards. they must laugh at us every day and laugh more at people suffering under their rule right now yet still defending them because its easier for their minds to believe the lies then face the fact that they have to do something about it

par·a·noi·a [pàrrə nóy ə]

noun

1. distrust: extreme and unreasonable suspicion of other people and their motives

2. psychiatric disorder: a psychiatric disorder involving systematized delusion, usually of persecution


[Early 19th century. < Greek, "out of your mind" < nous "mind"]

Originally posted by benign.psychosis
par·a·noi·a [pàrrə nóy ə]

noun

1. distrust: extreme and unreasonable suspicion of other people and their motives

2. psychiatric disorder: a psychiatric disorder involving systematized delusion, usually of persecution


[Early 19th century. < Greek, "out of your mind" < nous "mind"]

"unreasonable suspicion" there wouldn't be countless people coming forward with stories exposing the truth if it was truly "unreasonable" where theres smoke theres fire.

"a psychiatric disorder involving systematized delusion, usually of persecution" yes they are fond of using medicine to try to explain things that threaten their agenda aren't they? like how they use MPD to cover their trauma based mind control. in fact that reminds me that we need to bring to light more evidence of these things from the medical field seeing as they leave lots of nice paper trails to follow


Ive seen the kind of manipulation you attempt since childhood and have grown rather immune. save your energy for the more susceptible sheep

[edit on 21-2-2008 by HuntaXX]

For some misinformed and paranoid people, the NWO represents every horrible evil of the Nazis and "1984" and every sci-fi dystopia ever imagined, with mind control, concentration camps, and mass slavery. Where they get these ideas is anybody's guess, most likely from people who like to cook up fictions that play to people's basic paranoid fears and make a few bucks from them.

As it is, the NWO will be created as a response to the increasing interdependency of all people and nations on the planet. The planet is becoming far too interconnected to let random catastrophes and the actions of a few people disrupt the flow of goods and information. As it is, a drought in Brazil has a huge effect on cattle production in Australia, which will affect markets in America and Japan. A farmer in Nebraska is directly affected by floods in the Ukraine. The problems created by this interdependency are too complex for any one country or stray group of countries to manage, and the U.N. has proven itself to be ineffective because it has no power to back up its judgments. And even with the economic power it has, it's not fair for the United States to have to bear the economic burden of being the world's policeman (or the world's rescue service, as in the case of the 2004 tsunami).

The NWO will essentially be an administrative overlay on top of the currently international government structure. It would be mostly be involved in regulating and monitoring commerce by standardizing money and communications protocols. Other functions would include researching the planet to determine optimum population levels, and developing agencies for preparing and responding to large scale weather disasters such as droughts, blizzards, tsunamis or a possible asteroid strike.

Advanced technologies will be used in the monitoring process, and are a natural progression of current technologies. Tracking people (generally not individually, but at least statistically) will be necessary to determine contact routes and speed of spread in the event of a pandemic, as well as to find out ways to optimize power use and transportation services. The tracking will have some limited use for local law enforcement to locate and apprehend criminals. If you're not a criminal, that's a good thing! Otherwise, it won't be that much different than the cell phone you already carry, which can provide GPS location information.

A radio I.D. chip would be the most efficient way to do this. There are systems already in place for pets that may be adapted and developed for people. The chip will also serve as an all-purpose I.D. system, allowing you to "buy" groceries without money, or possibly prevent anyone but you from driving your car. No more wallet or keys necessary.

The thing most detractors don't seem to understand is that they are already under the "control" of several layers of government. The NWO would just be an upper layer. If you're not involved in any activity that is going to damage the environment or hinder commerce, it's really not going to be interested in you. And it's been proven time and again that the carrot works much better than the stick when it comes to increasing productivity, so rather than slave labor camps, what you're more likely to see are more jobs and social welfare programs that keep people healthy, happy and working hard to get more cookies.

So I don't know. You tell me. Does that sound like a good deal?

Ask yourself one question and answer it honestly. if you were in control of everything and weren't accountable for your actions how long do you think it would be before you started abusing that power? it might start out small like getting friends out of trouble or impressing a girl you like by getting into a famous restaurant without a reservation but power is like a drug that drives men mad and before you know it you may be doing things you though unimaginable before. deep down you know humans aren't at the level where a one world government would work and the only thing keeping the leaders in check is the fact that there are other leaders in a position to make them pay for their actions if they get out of control. and dont fall for the false god they have planned for you

Originally posted by Nohup
For some misinformed and paranoid people, the NWO represents every horrible evil of the Nazis and "1984" and every sci-fi dystopia ever imagined, with mind control, concentration camps, and mass slavery. Where they get these ideas is anybody's guess, most likely from people who like to cook up fictions that play to people's basic paranoid fears and make a few bucks from them.

The ideas are also carried on and spread to other people by the misinformed. All one has to do is hear something about the federal reserve, and the next thing you know, they visit conspiracy sites,and communities such as this that only serve to reinforce their paranoid ideas. It is a vicious cycle.

As it is, the NWO will be created as a response to the increasing interdependency of all people and nations on the planet. The planet is becoming far too interconnected to let random catastrophes and the actions of a few people disrupt the flow of goods and information. As it is, a drought in Brazil has a huge effect on cattle production in Australia, which will affect markets in America and Japan. A farmer in Nebraska is directly affected by floods in the Ukraine. The problems created by this interdependency are too complex for any one country or stray group of countries to manage, and the U.N. has proven itself to be ineffective because it has no power to back up its judgments. And even with the economic power it has, it's not fair for the United States to have to bear the economic burden of being the world's policeman (or the world's rescue service, as in the case of the 2004 tsunami).

No power, exactly. The so called illegal war that is happening now is nothing more than a precedence for that ability. When the over riding body has the ability to ignore national sovereignty, then it can enforce order. Right now, the tool it has to enforce it is NATO, which is hardly organized.

The NWO will essentially be an administrative overlay on top of the currently international government structure. It would be mostly be involved in regulating and monitoring commerce by standardizing money and communications protocols. Other functions would include researching the planet to determine optimum population levels, and developing agencies for preparing and responding to large scale weather disasters such as droughts, blizzards, tsunamis or a possible asteroid strike.

It will be something akin to the federal government in its relation to each state of the union. The United States is an tiny NWO is disguise, and works great when it doesn't have to exert itself on the rest of the world. Each country is going to have to give up certain rights, just as each state gave up certain rights to get in the union.

Advanced technologies will be used in the monitoring process, and are a natural progression of current technologies. Tracking people (generally not individually, but at least statistically) will be necessary to determine contact routes and speed of spread in the event of a pandemic, as well as to find out ways to optimize power use and transportation services. The tracking will have some limited use for local law enforcement to locate and apprehend criminals. If you're not a criminal, that's a good thing! Otherwise, it won't be that much different than the cell phone you already carry, which can provide GPS location information.

An accurate depiction.

The thing most detractors don't seem to understand is that they are already under the "control" of several layers of government. The NWO would just be an upper layer. If you're not involved in any activity that is going to damage the environment or hinder commerce, it's really not going to be interested in you. And it's been proven time and again that the carrot works much better than the stick when it comes to increasing productivity, so rather than slave labor camps, what you're more likely to see are more jobs and social welfare programs that keep people healthy, happy and working hard to get more cookies.

The paranoids get the same idea about cops. The police protect the people that they don't have to interact with. It's the criminals, oddballs and whackos that exhibit signs of not being able to civily enjoy the benefits of society - trying to destroy the country with their shouts of conspiracy and control that they spew forth like a disgusting dank odor.

Originally posted by HuntaXX
Ask yourself one question and answer it honestly. if you were in control of everything and weren't accountable for your actions how long do you think it would be before you started abusing that power?

I don't know where you get the idea of some evil, hand-wringing despot being in charge who eats babies for breakfast. I think this comment says more about your low opinion of people than about what any kind of NWO might be like.

I personally think that there's no such thing as absolute power or being unaccountable for your actions. Believe me, there are people right now, today, in your local police department who could come to your house and beat you and kill you and there's nothing you could do about it and they'd never face any negative consequences.

Why don't they? Answer. There's nothing to gain from it. It's pointless. They're limited by ordinary common sense which says that killing somebody for no reason is just a waste of time and effort. They are also limited by organizational rules and internal systems. What makes you think an NWO organization wouldn't have those?

And besides, the NWO is going to be run like any large-scale bureaucracy, by many tens of thousands (millions, maybe) of people in administrative positions, monitoring and overseeing and double checking to ensure efficiency. It'll have built-in checks and balances, as well as active links to state governments. It doesn't want waves. It wants to keep people happy and working. They don't want you cowering in fear in your basement under the threat of some jackbooted storm troopers.

You're much more likely to get tortured by somebody right now in your local police department, before there is any larger oversight, than you will with an NWO in place.

[edit on 21-2-2008 by Nohup]