Just remember all of these were not a skewing of the faith. They were a representation of it. I am not saying it makes what happened "right", or "wrong". It was just their way of expressing their faith to their god.

I am not sure what passages in the Bible the Spaniards were using, I will have to do some digging. But from what I remember they had valid scripture to back what they did. I will say the first part of that again, from what I remember. I will hunt down some defense for that position. However, I think it is mentioned in the documentary "The God Who Wasn't There".

Either way, great thread Clearskies! Many do not know of the other "inquisitions" that took place. And I have noticed that the Spanish one tends to get much flak.

Any more thoughts on this?
What dogma has changed to prevent another crusade or inquisition?


BTW, the office of the holy inquisition is the same thing, only called by the name
office for the holy faith, or something.

Originally posted by adigregorio
Just remember all of these were not a skewing of the faith. They were a representation of it.

Actually, no. It was most definitely a "skewing of the faith." We are told by Jesus himself that under no circumstance are we allowed to kill in His name. We are explicitly told to walk away from those who do not want to accept the faith- not kill, torture, or overtake them. What the Catholic church has done is flat out wrong and a terrible misrepresentation of who they claim to serve.

Originally posted by Clearskies
...who's to say there won't be more?

Unfortunately, I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach something else will happen eventually- possibly during the tribulation- started by the Catholic church. One cannot help but see how some of the end time prophecies related to the Catholic church and Rome. It's sad because I do consider Catholics my family in Christ but what their leaders are doing is downright false and against the teachings of Christ. It certainly seems the statement, "come out of her, my people" is a direct reference to not be apart of this system of corruption.

I don't mean to offend any Catholics because I love the 'laymen' dearly but it's time to wake up. Get back to your roots of grace through faith- not being controlled by a false system that Jesus never said was necessary.

my guess is that there was a "bad" translation that justified the actions.

Originally posted by AshleyD Unfortunately, I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach something else will happen eventually- possibly during the tribulation- started by the Catholic church. One cannot help but see how some of the end time prophecies related to the Catholic church and Rome.

I absolutely agree... We need to pray for the Catholic followers and show them the false teachings of the Vatican. While I cannot say for sure (who can) When I read the title that the pope wears on his crown "Vicarius Filii Dei" Vicar of the Son of God, it sickens me and I personally view that as the highest blasphemy! Using the Roman Numerals his title equals 666, many probably have seen this before, still important.

I have a few thoughts on where the antichrist arises and one of the main ones is the Vatican/pope. Can I say for sure if one of the pope's will be the antichrist? No, but I wouldn't be suprised one bit and believe it is possible! I find the RCC doctrine to be from Satan himself:

John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me"

Pope John XXIII 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the sovereign pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman pontiff is the vicar of Christ and his personal representative on earth"

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He (Christ) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Catechism pg. 374, # 1495 "Only priests who have received the faculty of absolving from the authority of the Church can forgive sins in the name of Christ"

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus"

Catechism pg. 252 # 969 "Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation"

Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

Catholic National July 1895 The pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of the flesh.

What does all the above have to do with inquisitions? They are completely opposite and against the the Word of our Lord just as the inquisitions were! In the least, If a future pope is not the antichrist, I can see the Vatican creating laws siding with the antichrist that will persecute those who reject them!

Men corrupt religion, but Faith, genuine Faith, corrupts no man and a man of genuine faith will not be found to corrupt religion. As long as the case remains, in regard to corrupt men navigating religion, the possibilities of inquisitions will remain. Men love power and most power comes via religion and the authority they can gain over the masses.

That is why Jesus said that he was no part of this world. He also said that his kingdom was no part of this world. Satan offered Jesus the kingdoms of the world on that lofty mountain and he denied him. Jesus did not correct Satan by saying those kingdoms were not his to hand out. Jesus knew they belonged to Satan. The day that Adam and Eve sided with Satan, he became their king. We'll have to wait until he bruises the serpent in the head. (Gen. 2:15)

Originally posted by adigregorio
Just remember all of these were not a skewing of the faith. They were a representation of it. I am not saying it makes what happened "right", or "wrong". It was just their way of expressing their faith to their god.

I never said it was "fair", in fact I am quite neutral when it comes to others representing their faith. To the inquisitors it was a representation. To me it was neither "right" or "wrong". Right and wrong are in the eyes of the beholders.

PS I do not think you twisted my quote, just misunderstood my meaning. Stupid text based debates!

Now for some levity...

From, "History of the World, Part I" --Mel Brooks

The Inquistion (Let’s Begin)
The Inquisition (Look out sin)
We have a mission
To convert the Jew (Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew)
We’re gonna teach them (Wrong from right)
We’re gonna help them (See the light)
And make an offer that they can’t refuse.
(That the Jews just can’t refuse)

Hello!

As someone who regularly defends Catholicism here and attempts to separate fact from (what I believe to be) fiction, I don't believed that it would be intellectually honest for me to ignore this thread.

I could (and have) debated topics that are present in the thread but are tangential to the op (including the supposed Jesuit oath), but concerning the listed inquisitions; they were an abomination and deserve nothing less than condemnation.

Proselytizing at the edge of a sword is heinous, evil and reprehensible.

Eric