This is such a pertinent conversation that I flagged this thread. I was thinking about the extreme utopias that thought systems such as libertarianism, environementalism, capitalism etc. and I wondered if the ideal of a true democracy is also frought with overlooked dangers.

Is a fully informed voting and socially participating populous in danger at the end if drawn out to the utopian end of fully representational democracy? did that make sense?

You're missing the point - at this moment in time the correct way of acting is to do things by the book, because people respect that kind of professionalism.

Not the anarchist's cookbook either you dolt.

I'm talking about the kind of thing that would work two-fold; you'd need:

A: Media Representation (good luck).

and

B: Political Representation (good luck).

At no point must you mention the words Capitalism, Democracy or Corporate Brainwashing - doing so will make you an awful lot of enemies and will essentially turn the cause into the equivalent of trying to climb a ceiling - which is impossible if there are no walls.

The idea is to stay positive, to refrain from making things personal, and to assert that you know what is best for this society.

Now then, how many radical ideallists do you know that would be able to keep that act up whilst staring in the face of someone like condi or Gordon brown?

If you know a few, how many do you think will be able to face the kind of harsh criticisms that someone like myself would be able to spit out?

p.s; this is the only avenue of social change that is accepted in this day and age - and tbh, that is what it is that i think makes society act like a chained dog scrabbling in the dirt for food (money).

[edit on 22-2-2008 by Throbber]