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JREF - "The Players"
1. Anti-Sophist: Prefered Debate Style - Ad Hom Attack. Yells "Debunked" when unable to counter data and Ad Hom no longer works. Has been proven to be a liar as follows.
Anti-Sophist claims/"debunks" that there is up to "2 seconds missing" from the FDR data. His claims/excuses are shown here.
Anti-Sophist uses the above thread (as do many of his "collegues" at JREF) and yells "Debunked" many times a day. He refuses to acknowledge the fact that his own words places the aircraft too high. He is proven to be a liar. The FDR data has not been "Debunked".
Using his own claims, the aircraft is still too high.
Anti-Sophist is unable to address Radar Altitude and passes it off to Beachnut.
Anti-Sophist has also said he has challenged P4T to a debate on the FDR. That is a lie. He cannot provide a link to such a claim, nor has he emailed P4T for such a challenge.
P4T has not received one email from any JREF member challenged in above blogger article/comments.
Anti-Sophist is proven to be a liar. His own words place the aircraft too high. Refers to Beachnut when shown his own claims as an "FDR Expert" do not add up.
2. Beachnut: Preferred Debate style - Ad Hom. Has almost 7000 posts on JREF mostly attacking others and calling names. Rarely provides any post of substance. Mostly incoherent. The majority of his posting consist of attacking P4T specifically through name calling. Mods continue to protect Beachnut even though the majority of his posts break forum rules. (Attacking the person instead of the argument). Is protected most likely due to the fact he is a "Forum Donor".
Beachnut has claimed the aircraft is 2600, 2800, 3000, and 3000+ feet from the wall when the data ended. He claims this is why the altitude shows too high. His claimed distance is based on 1.5 DME from DCA VOR. He keeps changing distance due to the fact each position is still too high if data terminated at each point. When shown the altitude is still too high quoting his own words at those points, he goes back and deletes his post/claims.
forums.randi.org... (starts at post 102)
His excuse when caught deleting his incriminating words... "Saving Space".
Beachnut deleted incriminating post content twice in the same thread and was caught both times. The mods removed tony's post calling out Beachnuts' second attempt showing extreme Mod bias.
3. Reheat: Prefered debate style - Ad Hom. Lies constantly.
Most blatant lie - Reheat claimed P4T igonored DME data. Review link referenced in Aldo's OP to see Reheat twist in the wind. s1.zetaboards.com...
4. Apathoid - Preferred debate style - Ad Hom. Still trying to figure out why the altimeter shows 300 feet at IAD on the runway and uses it as the excuse the aircraft shows too high at end of data. (its ground elevation of IAD)
All of the above break JREF rules constantly. Attacking the person instead of the argument. None have been warned once. Mod extreme bias is apparent.
All the above are the most harsh "critics" (and who claim to have experience in aviation) of P4T's work. All of their claims have been shown, in their own words, that the FDR data still does not support the govt story. They all have been proven to be liars by yelling "Debunked" time and time again, when in fact their own words show the aircraft too high. Some prefer to cover it up by deleting their own incriminating posts as did Beachnut. None have signed up at P4T, with the exception of Apathoid. Apathoid was banned due to his preferred debate style, which is ad hom. Although, JREF members prefer to say they get banned because they "disagree with us".
Ron "Pomeroo" Wieck: Preferred debate syle from behind his screen - Lies, Ad Hom.
Preferred Debate Stlye on phone when recorded - Pleasant, Ad Hom. agrees with most of P4T's objective as shown on top of home page.
Ron does not have any aviation experience. Ron claims in Aldo's linked thread -- s1.zetaboards.com... -- P4T refuses to debate JREFers. If P4T refuses to debate JREFers, and JREFers claim "Tony Soprano" is Rob Balsamo, why would Rob specifically create a sock bypassing his last ban in order to debate JREFers?
Ron is still unable to provide a quoted claim from our site in which he would like to debate and instead runs around saying "P4T refuses to debate". P4T is still waiting for Ron to submit a quote/claim from P4T's site in which Ron would like to debate.
That is all...
Originally posted by Azriphale
Where did you quote that from? Cant see it on Jref first few pages.
As part of our fund-raising efforts for supporting the operation, the James Randi Educational Foundation offers certain products related to the work of the Foundation.
Originally posted by johndoex
Does it matter where it came from?
Originally posted by johndoex
Beachnut ... "FDR Expert"... deletes his posts. Too funny.
ETA: Beachnut ...., ..., ... verified that he in fact does have aviation experience, albeit, very outdated.
JREF also requires you to use your real name when registering.
More from the hypocrites -
[edit on 20-2-2008 by johndoex]
Hmm..... now that is interesting!
Does anyone know that JREF started their "operation" the month prior to Sept 11, 2001? hmmm...
Maybe the Secret Government Cabal that planned 9/11 thought it would be a good idea to set up an 'operation' to counter the counter arguments from the inevitable 'Truth Movement' that would stem from the inherent mistakes that would be made by such a large operation and they forgot to replace the word 'operation' with foundation.
And why do they call it an "Operation"? I thought its a "Foundation"?
I think I can find the general trend of errors based on speed in my books. I still have computer runs from 1970. I have punch card to program in fortran from 70-74. I must have my UPT books some where.
Originally posted by SimonGray
2g.) Board Wars: You will not use these boards to organize "attacks" on other boards, blogs, or discussion groups, and similarly, you will not organize such attacks against this board. Doing so will result in removal of your post(s) and immediate termination of your account.