I'm Drinking Obama's Kool-Aid - And Loving It!

Call me naive. Call me giddy. Call me a member of the lunatic fringe. I don't care.

This Libertarian is loving Barack Obama. I know, I know...He has no fiscally conservative ideals. Yet, somehow, I don't care. He is pushing all of my other buttons. If nothing else in America, we should have hope and pursue an optimistic agenda. I'm tired of the fear. I am tired of the divisiveness. I want a better future for my children, not the same old thing.

It is quite obviously going to be a decision between Obama and McCain. The Old Guard vs. the New Blood. Yesterday vs. Tomorrow. I know it's corny, but it's true.

I have to cast my vote for change. I have to have hope.

Let's not flame. I really respect many of the members who frequent AP. I really want to know - What is your gut telling you? Is anyone with me?

This thread has to be a joke. I laughed in humor but I'm not really sure.

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Honestly, my gut is telling me that Obama and his Socialist ideals will run this country straight into the ground. My gut is telling me that "hope" alone will not move this country is the right direction.

I'm sorry, but I can't support a candidate who seemingly runs on no real issues, only the message of hope. Don't get me wrong, I like Obama. I think he seems like a nice guy and believe he means well, I just disagree with him on Every Single substantive issue.

On the other hand, I don't believe McCain is right for the job either. I find his positions on the war and security of this country to be more solid, but there is no way in hell I could ever support the author of legislation such as McCain/Finegould and McCain Lieberman.

So really it's a tough spot to be in. Luckily there are still several months to shake things down and see where we end up.

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Lots of people are falling for "The Magical Negro" (That's what the LA Times called him.)

Does anyone know what "Hope" means? "Hope" is an excuse for doing nothing. Right now Barack Hussein Obama is all things to all people. It may nab him the Democrat nomination (mainly because Democrats do the voting for that), but it won't win him the Presidency, when actual specifics and defined views matter.

I "Hope" I live past 100! But I smoke 2 packs a day.

I "Hope" I get a raise! But I hate my job and am a slacker.

I "Hope" I win the lottery! But I'm spending so much money on tickets so I'm 2 payments past due on my house.

I "Hope" my car keeps running good! But I'm 5,000 miles past due for an oil change.

I "Hope" my pet dog comes back home! I'm sure I fed him 2-3 wks ago?

Does anyone get the point? I "Hope" so!

So does the KoolAid help?
Which flavor?

...because I've had this slight pain in my shoulder for almost two years now and I was hoping he would heal it while he was in Dallas a few days ago, but I couldn't make it.

Maybe I'll rub some KoolAid on it instead.
Whoah, wait a sec, isn't that what convicts use for lipstick?

nevermind

I thought this my be a good thread to archive some predictions I have.

I prefice this by saying I think the Kool-Aiders are going to win. I can't see T-Rex (McCain) charging up the electorate.

So here's what I'm thinking.

1. 2010 Attempting to buy a new Accord, interest rate, 12.9%

2. All presidentail motorcade vehicles now roll on 24's

3. Amniesty granted for all illegals currently illegal. (no strings)

4. Bush tax cuts repealed by August 2009.

5. During 4 year term, 3 horrific terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.

6. Military budget cut by 30% each year in office.

7. National Anthem changed to "Candy Shop" by 50 cent.

8. National ID card mandatory for all citizens by 2011.

9. Unemployment @ 7% by 2010. (why not w/ all the free stuff coming)

10. Somehow Chicago seems to be getting alot of Earmarks.


I'll dust this off in a couple of years and see how we did.

Becker

I hold the view that hope should come from policy's that will set the US on the right path even if a lot of the damage cant be undone . If Obama is elected and he manages to heal some of the deep divisions and help the country move on kind of like Ford did then he will have done a great service.

If Hillary was elected she would only widen the partisan divided that is tearing the US apart from the inside.

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yes, let's be happy and revel in racist filth.

seriously, get a life and stop using a candidates race to make judgments about them...

let's see...obama's favorite music: "Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Johann Sebastian Bach (cello suites), and The Fugees"

yeah, ignore that. he's black so he's going to change it to a rap song...

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It's called humor.

Sorry if you were offended! I see you made me a "respected foe" for the post. Nice.

Did you notice the part where I mentioned he'd be the next president?

Again, not meant to offend, it is humor. It's OK to laugh you know, it does a body good.

Becker

Originally posted by RRconservative
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Lots of people are falling for "The Magical Negro" (That's what the LA Times called him.)

Honestly, I find that moniker so offensive it doesn't merit repeating, no matter where it originated.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Does anyone know what "Hope" means? "Hope" is an excuse for doing nothing...

I "Hope" I live past 100! But I smoke 2 packs a day.

I "Hope" I get a raise! But I hate my job and am a slacker.

I "Hope" I win the lottery! But I'm spending so much money on tickets so I'm 2 payments past due on my house.

I "Hope" my car keeps running good! But I'm 5,000 miles past due for an oil change.

I "Hope" my pet dog comes back home! I'm sure I fed him 2-3 wks ago?

Does anyone get the point? I "Hope" so!

Yes, we get the point - you just might be a cynic.

IMO Barack Obama has hope in the same way that Ronald Reagan had hope, he believes we can achieve more than we have, that we can be better than we are and that our prospects don't have to be so dismal. I mean vs. McCain's view that we should be in Iraq for a 100 years. Not so hopeful.

Look, I realize that, as a Libertarian, I will not always agree with Barack Obama's policies or initiatives. However, I like his can-do attitude and his willingness to build collaborative relationships. I am looking for a sea-change in Washington and of the three leading candidates I feel Obama represents the most hopeful and drastic change. Even if he only serves four years, if it makes the Washington establishment realize that Americans are serious about changing the status quo, then he will have accomplished something huge.

It's just a shame Ron Paul couldn't be so persuasive and inclusive in making his case for president. But, he didn't and it looks as though I will have to vote for either Obama or McCain. It's not a hard choice for me. Yesterday is soooo long gone and I want a better tomorrow for my kids.

(BTW Becker, your posts always make me laugh, in a good way!)

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Thanks Kosmic,

I'm glad you undrstand the humor. By no means was my silly prediction list posted to instigate an argument or worse yet derail your thread.

I'm sorry madeinmysoul took it in the vain he/she saw fit. That was hardly how it was meant to be interpreted.

Becker

[edit on 23-2-2008 by Becker44]

Barack Obama has me excited, too. I think it's great that someone who is not considered part of the "Old Guard" like John McCain and Hillary Clinton are. It's a breath of fresh air like you said. And it is a time for a major league change from the "politic's as usual" crowd to someone like Barack Obama. Let's give the man a chance to show what he has!

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Your idea of maintaining a list of predictions is a darn good one and should be the norm henceforth.
In fact it might be a good idea to dig up a list of previous Bush predictions by libs and discuss the ones that came true, if any, the ones that we are still waiting on and the many that turned out to be false. So don't worry about what hatredinhisoul has to say.

I seriously think you should start up a seperate thread for the purpose of keeping a running tally over the next four years and mark them off as they become true. Some sort of project management plus polling feature on ATS sure would be handy here.

Why ask for change when you can keep the whole buck?

In the interim, add this prediction to the list:

With socialized medicine and amnesty just around the corner, you can expect to buy stamps and apply for social security as you stand in the same long line waiting to be seen by a physician.






[edit on 23-2-2008 by Alxandro]

While I appreciate the perspective of the more conservative, party-line Republican or Libertarian ATS members, the purpose of this thread is to find out if anyone else, who otherwise would not typically be voting Obama '08, is now inclined to do so. And, if so, why?

This sums it up nicely for me:

I'd like to ask Obama resisters: Are you against the rider or are you against the wave? If you're against the wave, is it because you're against bottom-up energy in general, or are you holding out for a wave that's made up of people as brainy and dignified as Noam Chomsky? I'm sorry, but this is as good as it gets. And if you're against the rider, do you have a better idea for how the energy could manifest? How about through Huckabee? Or maybe you're holding out for a leaderless movement of people replacing the dollar with local currencies and planting fruit trees on land technically owned by banks. That would be great, but what would President McCain do to that movement?

Several people sent me this excellent article about how America is about to have a revolution. The only question is what kind. Obama's candidacy is only one move in a peaceful revolution. If he wins, his supporters will feel their power and take bolder steps on the same path. If that path is blocked enough times, the energy will move to a path of violence -- instead of happily marching to vote, Americans will be angrily marching to break windows and set stuff on fire, and of course being met with full paramilitary force. And when we're kneeling in blood choking on tear gas, we'll be thinking how much better this is than kids with bad punctuation prattling about change while supporting a candidate who's friends with Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Ran Prieur

Ok call me a hypocrite.
I'm actually considering possibly voting for Mo Obama, but only because I feel he is the next Jimmy Carter and the sooner we get him over with, the sooner our next Uncle Ron will come along.
Just trying to speed things up in a way.

Unfortunately it's time for the pendulum to swing, so whether you like it or not, this country will become a paper tiger once again. Thats what the rest of the world wants and the dems will give it to them for popularities sake.
This way, if and when we get attacked again, there will be those that will choose to blame Bush.
it's a win-win situation for Obama no matter what.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
While I appreciate the perspective of the more conservative, party-line Republican or Libertarian ATS members, the purpose of this thread is to find out if anyone else, who otherwise would not typically be voting Obama '08, is now inclined to do so. And, if so, why?

Quotas. It's like Ronald (not the hamburger mascot) and that guy from Georgia that used to run things and the other guy with the hair said.

Hey, I'm a white male. I admit it. The last 200 some odd years I've voted for the white guy. I know I should have voted for the chick at least half the time, or the black dude 20 percent of the time, but I didn't. Okay?

And you know what? I was always wrong. It's like betting red on roulette a gazilion times in a row and losing, convinced the odds are in your favor.

Maybe the damn wheel is just broken.

(By the way, the above is brilliant. It's like I should get paid for this.)

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I'm with you. My BS meter hasn't gone off on Obama. I have also checked him out pretty thoroughly. His record checks out, his campaign finance records check out so far(It's not over, so I'm not going to set that into concrete), and he's optimistic. He's not selling fear. People in this country have gotten so used to swallowing the fear they're fed that hearing something positive sounds to far fetched and naive...

He offers the same optimism my family and I had when we moved to the U.S. It was anew world filled with opportunity. No more homelessness, no more poverty. And we were right. This country has become the opposite of that in recent years. We need this now. Because I want the America I fell in love with back.

I wonder if the OP is aware of the origin of the term "drinking Kool-Aid"? If so, maybe he wouldn't be so cavalier about it...

Jonestown was the short-lived settlement which was made in northwestern Guyana by the Peoples Temple, a cult from California, and which became lastingly and internationally notorious in 1978, when nearly its whole population died in a mass murder-suicide orchestrated by their leader, Jim Jones. The name of the settlement thus became, also, a term for that incident. The site is now an abandoned ruin.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes. I was being tongue-in-cheek, at the time, playing off of the propensity for his supporters and enthusiasts to swoon. Little did I know that the MSM, the neo-con machine and a desparate Billary faction would swing into action and try to draw a clearer picture as to the origins of the phrase. My mistake for being so naive. I should definitely know better and now it's too late to amend the title.

elearnqueen.blogspot.com...

If the Obama media advisors and spin-doctors are in fact planting swooners at Obama's rallies in order to further the "Obama Rock Star" meme, it's starting to backfire. Another powerful and rapidly-disseminating meme is taking its place: "Obama As Cult." Pundits are going beyond coining such phrases as "Obamapalooza" and "Obama-mania" and are inserting powerful triggering words and phrases such as "drink the Kool-Aid." Allusions to Germany's Third Reich and the orchestrated spectacles of Nietzsche-inspired mass rallies in "Triumph of the Will" filmed by Leni Riefenstahl (www.brightlightsfilm.com...) are being invoked, and the "Utopia Turns Dystopia" meme is festering, just waiting to burst forth.

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Originally posted by kosmicjack
Yes. I was being tongue-in-cheek, at the time, playing off of the propensity for his supporters and enthusiasts to swoon. Little did I know that the MSM, the neo-con machine and a desparate Billary faction would swing into action and try to draw a clearer picture as to the origins of the phrase.

Well, seeing as how I outed the phrase, which category do you put me in?

Originally posted by kosmicjack
My mistake for being so naive. I should definitely know better and now it's too late to amend the title.

If there is a skeleton out there, someone is bound to drag it out of the closet.