reply to post by GradyPhilpott
I respect you showing your what you claim.
If you did notice, I did not call you anything though. For you to insinuate as much would mean your words to me of not knowing of what I speak, was
merely a self-projection.
The only conclusions to be made were for a person to read and identify with what was written intimately.
I cannot help if one who reads, identifies their self with something they don't wish to be associated with, it is not for me to judge, but let others
find out who they are on their own.
I can say, you are passionate. Also, in no way does a disability limit a person's mind, that is, unless it is a disability directly related mental
capabilities such as late President Reagan suffered, neither does the fact of someone's employment or lack thereof exact any more or less credibility
on their opinions and views, as there have been quite brilliant, informed, and educated people that were not the best at holding jobs.
To make it clear, the intent of asking for verification either as you have given, or through a mod, is because once someone starts bringing in
education and careers into the discussion to supposedly support why their opinion is for some reason more correct than another's opinion, it sends up
a red flag.
And, as it appears, you will not find any source credible, so, may I ask, what sources do you find worthy, this way from now on, those who wish to
engage you in intellectual discussion can site sources that you will not refute as being incredulous.
I could quote and source pages and pages, but again, people only believe and see what they are willing to ... if they are not ready to see something,
it will not be accepted despite any amount of evidence put forth.
You are correct, being a contrarian [sic] does not make a Patriot, but neither does accepting claims without proof.
The burden of proof was on those who wished to wage war, not on the citizens of this country nor Iraqi citizens to disprove. As a lot of debunkers
and skeptics will say, you cannot prove a negative, so when the argument is made that if it doesn't exist, prove it, it borders in the deceitful. If
you say I have a popsicle, how can I prove I don't other than to tell you I don't, then a group comes to inspect my house and also say I have no
popsicle ... but you still insist I do and attack me because of it. Then when you don't find one, you say I threw it over my neighbor's fence,
that is why you couldn't find it.
Did I scour ATS for these articles? No. I did a quick search and found that many on the first page of results. I am sure there are plenty more
people who are much better researched at all the inconsistencies than my quick effort. I just did it because no one had responded directly to your
inquiry as of yet.
I am not one to let an argument stay open for lack of anyone trying to answer it, when there has been many sources over time that have shown
The truth is Dennis Kucinich did have a report for all of them to read prior to the war. So any politician claiming they saw no reports to the
contrary of the propaganda is either a) lying or b) intentionally didn't read the report, so are not technically lying.
I don't have the article, but I remember hearing on MSM and reading that Bush ignored any report stating contrary to his agenda and focused on
reiterating what would achieve his goals. Not that I need proof of it from before, because he has made it clear recently that he doesn't care what
the NIE says about Iran, he says they are bad and that is the final answer. I am sure someone will have a link, or I can find it when I have time
later, right now responsibilities are beckoning me.
If ex-CIA, congressmen, and the like isn't good enough... but, we are to trust them, it is hard to tell exactly what to do and when ... I suppose
we all need a list of who to believe, or, do we just subscribe to a particular agenda and only those who follow that are telling the truth?
I think you haven't shown any proof that these articles are not credible, but just made a claim. The WMD is in your court, prove you don't have it.
Show me corroborated evidence of these sites being false and don't give an ad nauseam response.
Thanks for your polite attitude and patience while discussing this like civilized adults. Without communication and respect, we are nothing more than
disgusting creatures of instinct and aggression.