Originally posted by pavlovsdog


Ok, I'll accept your argument. On the condition that you accept the following statement, because it is the direct result of your juvenile argument

Judaism
Native Americans
Islam
Shinto
Bahai'
Confucanism
Hinduism
Taoism
Bhuddaism
Wicca
Dao Cao Dai
The Druze
The Roma
Santeria
Universalism
Deism

Are ALL Satanic!

I like Heiser's approach to it. He basically says that there was a divine council put in place following the Tower of Babel fiasco, and people followed whichever god was assigned to their territory. The other gods were also elohiym class beings, but Jehovah alloted Michael the Archangel to oversee Noah's lineage, which developed into the israelites through Abraham and Jacob. Jesus, on the other hand, claims to be available to anyone, regardless of location. I suppose that can be said for all the gods that are still worshipped, since you can, in effect, follow buddha even if you live in a non-buddhist country. Or Muhammad even if you live in a non-muslim country. I'm not sure when this changed though, which might be a good topic for another thread.

well it looks like a grey minus the large eyes.

Funny how Jack Parsons is being mentioned! I loved the book sex and rockets. Pavlovsdog, I'm interested in what you think about Parsons, Crowley, Hubbard and any connection Crowley might have with scientology. Not trying to hijack the thread so u2u me if you'd care to

Who knows whay he was thinking of when he drew that. He could of been seeing a Grey or may be this proves some of the christian fundamentalist right who say that the aliens are nothing but deamons since he was deep into the occult and deamonology.

This is really frustrating. I'm trying to find more information on the word "Elohiym" but all I'm seeing on the net are page after page of websites authored by non-denominational Christians who are each putting their own spin on that term and giving their own biased interpretations of it.

Anyone have a website with information on the Elohiym that's purely academic and not affiliated with any church or religious group?

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

""And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home - these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

But notice, the big guy himself (Satan) doesn't get the pit treatment. Oh no, only his minions get it. He gets it later. Now I'm of the belief the bottomless pit is a star gate, anyway, so seems to me they got off fairly easy. What appears to make them upset is that they can't be involved in our affairs, which I find a bit curious. Why would that be of any consequence to powerful beings? This has been a head scratcher for me. Well, I read a book that may have solved that dilemma. Here's what it basically said:

Author: Finis Jennings Dake
Book: God's Plan for Man

This planet use to be the domain of these beings. They went through their time of testing and the separating of the chaff/wheat thing happened for them also. Their technology crescendoed and they went out into the solar system and inhabited the other planets as well. One in particular (Satan) lead a group of fellows into a battle against God, which resulted in something like planetary war (a real star wars). Satan was relegated to this planetary system and the surrounding space. (this fits with sumerian texts, btw, which basically refer to Satan's name as Enki (who's name means Lord Earth).

(This is where I interject my additions to his theory)
I personally think Enki (who is, I believe, also the egyptian Ra), found us in eden and brought us here to spite Enlil and to enslave us, and that eden was elsewhere (not on this planet).

According to Heiser, the Satan in Eden was a bipedal being not a literal serpent. I think the truth is Satan was a bipedal being with a serpent inside him if that makes sense, kinda like the goa'uld symbiotes in stargate the tv show. and that as his punishment,he was removed from the bipedal being he had used to do the crime - thus removing his legs. But he just found another body to inhabit anyway because we see him later in the King of Tyre. Bugger keeps popping up in some of the most rich and powerful figures in history. Apparently, he's not prejudiced as to the race or make of the being he inhabits.

It's also interesting to note that the word to describe Satan in the text, also can mean seraph (which is a fiery serpent, a glowing serpent, etc) and is also a word used to describe angels. That use to bug me...how does one separate the snake concept from the bipedal from the angel. I think the stargate TV show has the real answer to that. The original Eden, bipedal body is reptilian in appearance and is inhabited by a "symbiote" (not sure what else to call it). This works on many levels including the idea that for thousands of years, the planet was almost entirely the domain of reptiles, who have been assumed to be only animals, but may in fact have been bipedal sentients, too.

Erm, anyway....

Thanks undo! I'm reading it over now. Just don't know which ones out there are more correct than others... hard to tell which definition of that term is closer to it's original meaning.