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Topic started on 18-2-2008 @ 05:25 PM by WhiteWash
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I recently have been re-reading through statements by John Lear.
In one of them he talks about AIDS being developed by the US Navy.
 As far as an update on AIDS is concerned, AIDS was developed by the Navy in 19l2. The specific doctor that developed it was a doctor by the name
of R.M. Donner. The initial AIDS research was financed by Congress. July 1, 1969 is when they had the hearings. This is a copy of the DOD
appropriations report for 1970 (Ed note: See July 90 Leading Edge). It was chaired by Robert Sykes. The testimony reveals exactly what they wanted - a
biological virus for which there was no known immunity. They finally got it developed in 1972 and started doing experiments. The biggest experiment
was in 1977/78 when they released it in Africa, which is now lOO% infected. In the United States in 1978/79 AIDS was released to the white male
homosexual population through the Hepatitis B vaccine. The reason they wanted to start with the white male homosexual population was that they wanted
to get it to spread very quickly, and they thought that people would not worry about it if they thought that only drug abusers or homosexuals were
involved. That 's what happened. The Navy goal WAS to infect 75% of the worlds population by April of 1991. Those are from top classified government
documents. What's interesting is that by the present rate of infection, 75% of the population will not be infected by the April 91 target, so what
we're looking at is other ways the government may have of spreading this disease. I am kind of happy I don't live in California, where those
helicopters are flying up and down spraying for the Medfly.
That last sentence got me thinking about all the chemtrails. Now, If we go by the conspiracy theory that AIDS was created by the government, and the
supposition that officials and select people have been immunized with the secret cure, one can go a step further and think about all the Chem Trail
stuff. Perhaps this is their way of infecting the populace on a wide spread scale. It is certainly easier than what they MAY have done before, which
is infect people under the guise of vaccinations.
What are your thoughts and Comments? Please contribute.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 05:29 PM by Zaphod58
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Uh, except that AIDS can't live outside the body long enough to be transmitted that way. Otherwise we'd all be infected by this point. Or at least
a MUCH bigger chunk of the population would be.
And not to mention that Africa is nowhere NEAR a 100% infection rate. The two countries with the highest infection rate are Zimbabwe at 25.84% and
Botswana at 25.10% as of 1998. It drops SIGNIFICANTLY after those two. Several countries have less than a 1% infection rate.
In 2006 Botswana had an infection rate in ages 15-49 of 3%. In fact it was ebbing in 2006.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 05:32 PM by WhiteWash
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Unless, of course they developed a medium by which to deploy it for just such a purpose.
I hardly think that if they went through all the trouble hypothetically speaking to do such a thing, they would forget to develop a medium by which to
protect the virus for spraying.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 05:32 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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HIV is not transmitted respiratory,so helis are out of question. Also,i'm sure that there are a lot of "incredible" bio/chemical toys that the Cold
War gave birth to, but this virus is too "good" to be man-made. By "good" i mean that there are very few flaws in it , seems evolution was working
and not lab-coats.
And Africa is NOT 100% infected  .
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 05:37 PM by Zaphod58
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I found some good stats and updated my post with it. In 2006 several countries in Africa had dropped 5-10% from their already low infection rates to
the 2-3% range.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 05:40 PM by WhiteWash
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I am merely speculating that, IF they were spraying the virus via chemtrails, they would have also developed a medium through which to do so. In
addition, certainly if you examine the whole chemtrail conspiracy you will note that it absorbs through the skin, eyes, etc. What IF they developed
the medical and viral technology to do this? Just my thoughts.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 05:54 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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At current ,"non-secret", pharmaceutical technology level this is not possible. And if they somehow developed such incredible delivery system, it
would be easier to add it to food/water. No tax payers money spend on helicopters and much more enviromental friendly.
Plus,solvents that can be absorbed through skin must be very lipophilic (like DMSO) and such an solution?/emulsion (if virions could be
dissolved/dispersed in it) raining down from the sky will be noticable.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:04 PM by yankeerose
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AIDS is disease that targets blacks and gays... there is no doubt in my mind it is man made/manipulated, and used as a biological weapon of selective
population reduction. JL also thought that Lemon Juice was some type of possible cure for it....???
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:14 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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I wonder how virus knows who is gay? Or black? It is wide spread where sanitarian levels are low or where prevention is not used. Molecular mechanism
is known,after all. Can you prove that virus has more affinity to his receptors in Black population, not to mention gay?
Malaria is also secret weapon against blacks? Because a lot of people in Afrika are dying from it, however geneticaly they are more immune then
caucasians.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:24 PM by yankeerose
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My proof is in the percentage of AIDS victims/deaths that are black and or gay. Yes it crosses and can infect all races, but the biggest impact has
been in the two groups I mentioned.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:34 PM by OzWeatherman
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Absolute BS
1. Chemtrails do not exist, they are contrails
2. Any biological warfare sprayed at such a height would instantly die and/or be carried by the jetstream 1000's miles away
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:34 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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One population being more susceptible does not mean that it is less immune. As i stated,spread of desease can be manipulated by simply
education/prevention. There are countries in Africa with fewer cases of HIV carriers than in certain countries in Eastern Europe.
As gay population is concerned, the nature of relations can envolve immune system reaction on more occasions.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Zaphod58
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It's called education and resources. If you ask most people in the highest hit regions of the world (Asia included) most of them couldn't tell you
how it's spread or how to stop it from spreading. The two countries in Africa that have started working on prevention programs, including the use of
condoms, fewer partners, and delaying sexual activity have seen a significant drop in the number of AIDS cases. However, there are many areas, in
Europe, China, and Asia that are seeing a significant jump in the number of cases. 8.3 Million people in Asia are living with AIDS, more than 2/3rds
in India. In 2005, there was a 20 fold increase in less than a decade in the number of cases in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 06:48 PM by bricmpt
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I have good reason to believe that AIDS was developed by a Navy. Either ours or Russia's. It was used during the cold war when naval power was
supreme (nuke subs). Submariners stay out to sea for 6 months at a time on a regular basis. Women are very scarce... go figure. Bisexuality is a
NATURAL result of overcrowded male populations.
Is it population control? No sure there. But it was certianly used as a weapon.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 07:01 PM by Zaphod58
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So they developed a weapon to kill submarine sailors? How were they going to get it to the sailors, and why would they develop something that would
wipe out their OWN submariners? And don't give me that bisexuality bunk. I've known a LOT of submariners, and not ONE of them was bisexual. The
LAST thing you have interest in on a sub is sex of just about any sort. You're usually too exhausted.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 07:52 PM by bricmpt
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I don't even have a theory as to how AIDS was first released. I don't imagine that it would be difficult, though. One thing that comes to mind
would be to infect the population of prostitutes in an area where navy personnel have shore leave.
As to infecting their own, I doubt too many russian sailors get together with US sailors. Perhaps they didn't expect it to spread as much as it has.
Perhaps they didn't care. After all, vets require lifetime medical attention, so the shorter their lives, the more money the government saves.
Evere know someone who has fought the VA over benifits?
Do you mean that "not ONE of them" admitted to being bisexual. If you personally express a negative opinion of such things than it is very likely
that the people you know do not admit it to you. I have known a couple Navy personnel who are bisexual (at least when stranded on a ship, and not as
long as six months at a time.)
I can't speculate on the notion that the last thing that one is interested in is sex. But I do know that every man has sexual needs and that
masturbation gets boring. Are you female?
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 07:54 PM by Zaphod58
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No, I'm not. And as for not having time, have you known a submariner, or been on a sub? They pull hideously long shifts, and have to hot bunk to
have enough room to even sleep. They barely get enough sleep as it is, and by the time they get back to port they look like zombies.
As for 6 months with no women, have you ever heard of "port calls"? The surface fleet makes them every month or two at the most. It's a wonderful
boost to the local economy when a carrier group makes a port call.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 08:00 PM by bricmpt
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Known many. Militairy family. But I don't know about their workloads. I know that no matter how busy/tired I am I find time. I assume that just
because they are Navy doen't mean they aren't human. I can't imagine being at work for months at a time and not finding time.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 08:37 PM by Zaphod58
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When? You get a 5 minute shower every few days, you work a 12-14 hour shift, the bunk you're sleeping in is still hot from the previous guy getting
out of it. The environment of a submarine is NOT inducive to any kind of sexual activity. I'm sure it occasionally goes on, but 99% of the time
it's the LAST thing you're going to want to do.
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reply posted on 18-2-2008 @ 08:50 PM by bricmpt
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If true, that would be a stumbling block in my theory. I have been on a sub, but never when underway. Are they not allowed any rest / non-duty time
when away?
I do know that, in the mid ninteys, Navy intelligence took a very keen interest in personnel who contracted this disease. As in spying on,
experimenting with and medical research. While this does not conclusively prove that WE made the disease, it suppourts my belief that it was a
bio-weapon. The military does not take that much interest in other diseases that I know of.
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