So I clicked onto the googlevideo link from the first post and within 15 minutes of me watching it the video was no longer available... Hmmmm, makes me wonder...

Originally posted by MysticTraveller
So I clicked onto the googlevideo link from the first post and within 15 minutes of me watching it the video was no longer available... Hmmmm, makes me wonder...

Yup, it's gone.

Well, so much for the free party. It appears that either the copyright owner had them pull it or the government did. I'd say the former, seeing as other links to the trailer for the video are still plentiful. Bummer. Makes me wonder if this story had anything to do with it. Again, I appeal to the ATS staff to get this up on ATS Premium Video. I know one mod who is already on it, thanks.

edit to add: With that said, I want to be clear that though it is a bummer, it is the absolute right of the copyright owner to do so, and I support it fully. They've got some serious costs associated with making of that video, and it is proper that we help them to recoup that cost, as well as reasonable that they eventually show a profit from it. But as powerful and as deep as that film is, much like many of Alex Jones, I really believe profit was not the main motivation for making it.

If profit happens, then great, but the real motivation lies more in exposing the truth. Some people will risk paying to expose the truth- and usually hundreds of thousands of dollars or more in the case of filmmakers. And you better be glad that those people did- cause otherwise the public would stay in the dark. It is fair to reward that effort and risk with a purchase of your own that benefits them. It truly is sad that one must pay to know the truth, but that's what your up against these days.

[edit on 19-2-2008 by TrueAmerican]

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by freighttrain
NO, just because someone in the power tells you to jump off the bridge, do you? YOU as one soul, make YOUR OWN decisions that's the problem with society today. People are so weak they expect someone to tell them how to live their lives, just to leave them alone in their little life. It's up to YOU and ME not anyone else to make a change!

You watch this film? In it, there are plenty of interviews with the actual soldiers who committed these atrocities, and they explain that they can't really go against their fellow comrades, once in the situation. I understand this point. What they will respond to, however, is directive. That comes from above.

Well this is very the freedom of CHOICE has to come in, it will reflect ones self being. First of all NO ONE made them join the army (knowing they will have to go invade others, as well as committing to a chance of maybe killing another being) My personal choice would be NEVER to get involved with this institutes. Secondly they could have said NO, this is MORALLY WRONG. It take real guts and some balls to say that knowing you might get isolated but at the same time you stand for what you believe. I will guarantee that many more will support you if only ONE stands... it only takes a spark to get a fire going.

When you leave this world you will have to deal with your own actions you made this life, and I don't think you'll easily accept what you have done in the sake of "I was doing my JOB"! Then your job is wrong... and you need to change it. If we all did that.. there would be no armies to go in war with each other and to feed these certain individuals agenda.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by MysticTraveller
So I clicked onto the googlevideo link from the first post and within 15 minutes of me watching it the video was no longer available... Hmmmm, makes me wonder...

Yup, it's gone.

Well, so much for the free party. It appears that either the copyright owner had them pull it or the government did. I'd say the former, seeing as other links to the trailer for the video are still plentiful. Bummer. Makes me wonder if this story had anything to do with it. Again, I appeal to the ATS staff to get this up on ATS Premium Video. I know one mod who is already on it, thanks.

You did a very important thing by starting this thread. Quite a few people got to see that film who otherwise would have missed it. I think there is great valour in bringing documents of witness to others so that the truth of a situation can be more clearly discerned. For me, you have done great good, and I hope my thoughts on this thread have not unduly misdirected what you hoped to accomplish.

My personal disposition is that the U.S. Constitution is one of the 2 greatest constitutions (the other being Ireland's which was greatly influenced by the U.S. Constitution) ever written for the mutual governance of a nation. Inasmuch as the Constitutional principles are maintained throughout every level of the U.S. government and military, I find it to be superior to all -- but unfortunately it seems that this is more theoretical than actual.

And behind all of that is the tradition of English Common Law going back to the Magna Charta. We can all grieve that under Blair and Gordon Brown the United Kingdom has forsaken its rich heritage of securing rights in favour of the European system of law which arises from some of the worst elements of jurisprudence in Western history.

I was born in Hawaii long, long ago. My baptismal certificate from the little parish where I was baptised still said Kingdom of Hawaii on it. Much of my life has been spent in my home country of Canada but work, assignment, etc. has taken me to English speaking countries around the world, and there is not one that had the dynamism and commitment to honest work and corporate decency that I found among U.S. citizens in the middle of the last century. Finer people I would never know, and unfortunately since the assassinations of President Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, I have seen the USA decline in the virtues -- though those virtues are still maintained by a great many people. I suppose that is why I have been given a new sense of hope with the political campaign of Dr. Ron Paul. I understand the vision of the USA he represents. It is a vision of decency, honesty, humility, and innovation for the betterment of man. I can only pray that one day the vision may reinvigorate and inspire anew U.S. American culture, civilisation, government and armed services.

A final thought on the now missing video: perhaps it will appear again over at LiveLeak or the like and then an update could be posted to this thread. I surely want the makers of the film to earn their money, and I would gladly by copies of it -- but that can't happen if the Discovery Channel is sitting on the film and won't allow its sale or broadcast. So much for the freedom of discovery!

I'm a United States Veteran.

This obvious truth in this film does not serve the interests of our brave soldiers that fight everyday to keep this world safe from fanatical religious zealots that intend to harm our western society. It disappoints me that we have sunk to SUCH a level that we use "our" best and brightest to dehumanize a religion and a people to the degree that we have. I'm well aware of the abuses committed by other nations against our service members but that DOES NOT excuse our behavior! Do we not have other ways of extracting information other than torture?

I think this new "policy" only serves to hurt any honorable soldiers in future conflicts and to see us as the bullies that I suppose we've become. Our men and women fight for principles, or so we've been told. Let us all remember that.

Yeah, it probably is a copyright issue. Docs don't make a lot of money so film makers need every bit of support they can get, that's for sure. Maybe if they made more money we'd get more truth or a broader spectrum of viewpoints at the very least.

Discovery Channel would have paid them regardless of airing the film or not. Maybe I'll google for a bit and see if I can find a copy for sale, I haven't checked, but maybe they have a web site somewhere.

In regard to the video being pulled:

What got the video pulled probably had to do with someone posting a link to it on this very message board.

Now, before you all go government agent did it on me, let me explain.....

Video Hosting services, google, stage6, youtube et al contain a plethora of copywritten material. These services do not have the staff to police/preview each video that is posted on their servers. They way they police themselves is to watch hit counts. When a particular file starts receiving large numbers of hits - they look into it. Then if there is a violation of ToC, it's pulled.

I did not read the entire thread, and if it was covered then my apologies, but just in case, buying out the rights to “controversial” material is a standard practice.

Various Hollywood “companies” specialize in script sanitation by buying them out and shelving them.

In fact, while Tom Clancy is making a buck with his propaganda, other people are making the same buck by writing scripts for books and movies that will never be published or filmed, they purposefully write “controversial” material based on factual information, and then just sell it to be shelved.

It’s one type of intellectual racketeering, but hey, it’s better then going wet.

“Wag the dog” for example is not a spontaneous occurrence, numerous similar scripts have been written and shelved for decades, and it was just that at the time it was convenient to release it for propaganda purposes.

Occasionally real deal films do come out. One of them was “Bob Roberts”, look into that one, and then compare it to Bush.

This would of been a major breakthrough in changing the thought processes of the American masses. Most do not understand how much unwarranted bloodshed has been caused by a number of the American troops towards innocence in Iraq.

They do not want you to know that the people of Iraq have souls and cry. All you need to do is a simple internet search to realize they do.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
Does anyone doubt that the Discovery Channel folks were threatened by the Bush/Cheney goons? What does it take for the Imperial US American Presidency to have its way I wonder... do they threaten the lives of the families of those who oppose them? Do the guys at the Discovery Channel know that the Bush/Cheney and military-industrial complex goons will kill them if they don't do as they are told?

not necessarily in bodily harm

the Discovery Execs could lose lots of money which would ruin
their channel. Did you see that small town in CA who tried
kicking the Marine recruiters out. I recall somewhere, where the US
took away $2M in federal funds away from that town and gave
it to the Marines instead. So if the gubment don't threaten to
kill you or your family they hit your pocket book instead.
Can someone say unemployment if that movie was allowed to
air. It's much easier for them execs just not to air the movie
than to risk a pink slip and an unemployment check.

It's no different than gubment sponsored extortion and blackmail.


[edit on 19-2-2008 by SimonSays]

yes you guys are right... we should be so much more kinder to our POW's and potential threats right???? we should definitly not have them fear us .. because in the end we are all going to be friends and the muslim nation is a loving nation and cares about everyone who is not muslim.. WOW I think that is how 911 came to occurence but not sure I"m sorry has anyone seen the videos of what terroists do to our american troops if they are captured... of what they did to korean christians they captured???? atleast we let them live is all I have to say ... thats more than we can say about them.. maybe they should reair black hawk down a few several hundred times and we can watch the reinactment of our fallen soldiers being drug down the streets naked as they burn our flag... The public should not even be aware of what is done during an interrogation... These ppl don't fear us and they don't care .. If you haven't noticed they kill themselves in order to create chaos... and yet we are sympathizing bc of a few harsh interrogation techniques... wow

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
For me, you have done great good, and I hope my thoughts on this thread have not unduly misdirected what you hoped to accomplish.

Thanks, and lol, no way, your input has been valued and I have starred just about everything you've written! It's funny how just about every single one of the newer member friends that have added me, I connect with mentally so well. You just keep right on writing my friend!

I suppose that is why I have been given a new sense of hope with the political campaign of Dr. Ron Paul. I understand the vision of the USA he represents. It is a vision of decency, honesty, humility, and innovation for the betterment of man. I can only pray that one day the vision may reinvigorate and inspire anew U.S. American culture, civilisation, government and armed services.

Bingo. You rock. I feel the exact same way.