And why is that not suprising??????? lol

This is Swift Boat 2008.

The Clintons as well as the Neo-Cons will stop at nothing. It's quite sad really.

[edit on 18/2/08 by kosmicjack]

I figure this would be a great boon to his ultra-left supporters. Not only is he black (half anyway) but now he's apparently homosexual and a proponent of drug legalization.

If he would just get off the whole "tax everyone to death to pay for alcoholics liver transplants and take all the guns away" kick I might vote for him to put a stop to the gay marriage noise and drug war idiocy.

True or not, I predict this news will solidify Obama's voter base and insure his victory over Hillary.

It was this very same kind of allegation against Clinton in 1992 that resonated with the public, put Clinton in the position of a victim, and turned him into the "Comeback Kid."

Of course, those allegations turned out to be true, but at the time it was the best thing that could have happened to Clinton.

Perhaps this isn't even targeted at Obama's liberal base. Just as the Ron Paul smear tactics over racist newsletters were not intended to sway his core supporters.

Painting Obama as a party-animal drives away conservative support. All the ultra-right wingers disappointed with McCain but unwilling to sit out the vote. Instead of adhering to principles like small government, low taxes, individual liberty and voting for the LP nominee, they throw their vote away and check the box next to who they see as the "lesser of two evils."

Liberal Democrat support will only be strengthened by these allegations. It's the Christian Right that is turned off by the notion of a black coke-head on the down-low in the White House.

Homosexual activity = I don't care. I dont' think anyone cares. Except perhaps that it would mean that he cheated on his wife which would make him a liar. (and what politician isn't a liar these days?) Other than that, most (but not all) Americans wouldn't care about the gay sex thing.

Cocaine use = I care. That is breaking the law and you can't have a POTUS that is under the influence of ANY drug - including alcohol. It may have been okay to have a drunk POTUS like Buchanen or Grant a hundred years ago .. but not now when all the drunk has to do is push a button and the world blows up.

Originally posted by apc
Painting Obama as a party-animal drives away conservative support.

Obama has NO conservative support. None.
There isn't any to try to take away.

- He's a firm believer in the culture-of-death.
Conservatives are the opposite - embracing life.

- He's a firm believer in stealing money from the productive tax payers and handing it to the unproductive (he calls it raising taxes). Conseravtives (and most moderates) are the opposite - believing in rewarding productivity.

- He's a firm believer in cutting the space program 'just for five years'. (yeah - like he'd ever start it up again! ha!) to fund his give away programs. Conservatives (and most moderates) are just the opposite and are capable of seeing the benefits of the space program for all of humanity.

- He's a firm believer in cutting our national defense. Conservatives (and most moderates) are just the opposite - understanding the need for national defense.

- He's a firm believer in handing illegal aliens drivers licenses and giving them money and handouts taken straight from the productive middle class America. Conservatives (and most moderates) are the exact opposite. (which is also why McCain is a moderate, and not a conseravtive)

Obama has NO conservative support to take away. It's unfortunate that he has any support from anyone at all.

ATTN - oralfixation - your two YouTube links have been taken down. Kinda makes ya' wonder why, eh? (I smell coverup - conspiracy)

Originally posted by apc
It's the Christian Right that is turned off by the notion of a black coke-head on the down-low in the White House.

Really?

I'm not disagreeing, but I really see the Christian Right as a very small part of the voting public and I certainly don't see Christians as a monolithic political faction.

I do definitely think that Christians will be turned off by the description you provide, but I would hope that many others would be looking for a more stable personality in the highest office in the land.

Clinton's salvation was that he appealed to the common indiscretions of youth that were nearly universal among boomers.

Yeah, he experimented with pot and if he wasn't a smoker, one might believe that he didn't inhale, although that's the whole point of smoking pot.

Yes, he was accused of taking sexual advantage of a few women, but the smear campaign against the women and their own behavior made the allegations questionable, at best.

I'm sure that there is an element of the voter population who would be inspired by "a black coke-head on the down-low in the White House", but I'm not sure they'd be in a condition to make it to the polls on election day.

I would hope that a vast majority of Americans would find such a prospect horrifying.

That Obama might have done such a thing might appeal to his voter base if and only if, he has repented and changed his sinful ways, which does sound like something only the Christian right would feel, but we're not talking about the mayor of Zolle, LA, here.

Americans on the whole are a forgiving sort, except for the fringes, but the idea of a philandering, coke-head in the White House during these critical times should be frightening to all.


[edit on 2008/2/19 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Obama has NO conservative support. None.

Well, not anymore.

When he came here to Kansas City a week or so ago he had a significant Republican showing that was succeeded by a couple days of banter on local talk radio. He has conservative support. It seems anyone who is disgusted with McCain, and isn't crazy enough to turn to Hillary, is looking at Obama.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I'm not disagreeing, but I really see the Christian Right as a very small part of the voting public and I certainly don't see Christians as a monolithic political faction.

I perhaps see them as having a greater influence than you do. But regardless, this sort of publicity is just the thing to drive them away. Which, I speculate, is the point. People don't vote with logic and reason. If they did the status of Obama would likely be irrelevant.

Uh, wasn't Bush a Coke head, Druggie addled DUI driver who smoked more pot then Cheech and Chong? I doubt this will hurt Obama, though I'd like it to. He's too young to be assassinated but that is what will happen if he is elected. Do you really think the millions of racists and bigots, er, republicans(Note I say republicans not conservatives as there is nothing conservative about being a racist or bigot no matter how much Fox Noise tries to smear RP) will let a black man be president?