Lets face it:

If you feel the need to go ad hominem to prove your point, then perhaps its time for you take a break and rethink the merits of your position.

Originally posted by chromatico
Furthermore, sometimes the line separating "post" from "poster" is blurred, so I feel that this rule has a tendency to unecessarily restrict people's ability to say what they need to...

to say what they Need to...
OR
to say what they Want to...
???

The difference being the focal point of neformore's OP, FredT's considerations, and the Actual topic of discussion.

The Post not the Poster
The Message not the Messenger
The Story not the Teller.

Sure. There are times where the "lines" can blur. But as FredT mentions, perhaps those are the times when one Needs to take a break/walk away... even though there may exist a Want to do otherwise. (?)


 

this is good news.


Most people use what you typed months ago, and use it against you. And others then attack your personal beliefs and religion instead of staying on topic. cool. thanks neformore.

Oh if only people would listen to you guys on that account.
I of course have been guilty of it but only after I have been insulted thus.
Not a good excuse but the only one I have.
Imma passionate little boy. =)

Originally posted by chromatico
reply to Don't get me wrong, I hate ad hominem attacks, but when a person has a history of dishonesty or any other bad faith dealings in general, I begin to wonder if they are not necessary.

In those circumstances I would have thought that the 'civil' and obvious thing to do is point out the person's dishonesty without resorting to attacking the actual person

For example... You lied... you said X is A, B, & C. I can prove to you that X is D, E, & F

as opposed to

You are a liar, stop wasting my time, go and get lost you moron.

First one GOOD

Second one BAD

I think that's the message our esteemed moderators are trying to convey... forgive me if I've got it wrong

[edit on 18/2/2008 by Dagar]

I think the best phrase I've heard is this:
Play the ball, not the player.

The nature of a discussion board means that disagreements occur.

The nature and t&c of ATS means that we should not allow ignorance to enter a debate - and that's what attacks are, ignorance.

Besides which, maintaining dignity and politeness in the face of attacks will win you more friends and arguments than attacking back ever could.

If someone attacks you, use the alert button if the attack merits it - other than that, ignore it or use the ignore button.

I've been guilty of it myself, but the best tactic is and always will be, politeness.

Otherwise you're just buying into a game that no-one can win.

my tuppence, for what it's worth.

[edit on 18/2/2008 by budski]

Whilst I agree with the essence of the OP, unfortunately some people take any form of criticism as personal.

On several occassions I have responded to posts which have been construed as attacks on the poster.
Maybe I have been unclear in my response but overall I think it's because some people are either just too sensitive, are unable to accept any criticism and take everything personally or are just unable to understand opposing opinions.

Unfortunately I suspect that this will always be the case and there will always be an element of friction between people from opposite viewpoints.

Sorry I disagree completely, the alleged goal of ATS is to deny ignorance, then how and why does it support rascist and ignorant views without dealing with the offender of such views. Racial attacks against an individual or a race should not be supported on the belief that it may upset some one. An just for those mods who are not sure,in most of the Western World such comments are illegal and ATS should not be seen to support or allow such abuses of the law.

Sometimes somebody posts something that just irks the living hell out out me. I plan to retaliate, but then I realize that responding nasty will do no good. I take the high road or just take it to another thread till things calm down. Simple as that and it keeps me from being booted from a site I like.

I think the problem can be traced easily in that the quality of posts has steadily declined from an overall perspective. My understanding of ATS was that it dealt with conspiratorial matters coupled with spirited debate and sensational fact finding. Instead the daily ATS trough is filled with uninspiring day to day common news drivel that I can find anywhere. Far too many articles, in my opinion, deal with content that quite frankly deviates from what I thought ATS embraced. The commonality of these posts is what I believe drives more personal attacks given the uninteresting topics. They lack a conspiracy angle and cater more to mundane social issues, all in the name of getting "more points". That's what I thought the other ATS sister sites would deal with, ie. belowtopsecret, but clearly that is not the case.

On the other hand there have been many exceptional posts that stick to the ATS theme. If the OP wants people to contribute then I think the site management needs to better address the quality of posts.

brill

I speak for my self when I say "Is this 20 posts yet? I really just want to post my forum on a more serious matter" I didn't see any poster to post a post about no pun intended