OMG! Xfiles spin off forshadows 911!!!!!!

reply to post by TheBorg

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Ah but a conspiracy that everyone knows about is hardly a conspiracy.
Especially if Hollywood is making shows about plans.
But your right.
Sorry OP.

A: old news

B: The fact that identical training missions were underway on the same day seems far more suspicious than a similar TV show.

While Hollywood was making shows about the exact plans, our elected officials had their thumbs up their assess. That is a plane and simple fact.

They should have been fired for their incompetence. NOT given promotions and raises IMO. Which is suspect itself, IMO.

Good find! I havent heard of that stuff before. Star & Flag!!!

The is really scary, indeed interesting. For me this is no coinsidence!
The simpsons thing is interesting, but why should they do this?
I dont think that this is the way the government is warning people with subliminal messages. But on the other side, they maybe try to prepare us for those events.

Whats next!? Will aliens attack us like in "Independence day" or in "War of the Worlds"? Or are there aliens like in the movie "the forgotten"?

That the government is using blockbuster movies for propaganda is no secret.
Just watch the making-of pearl harbour where the director got everything he needs from the us army or navy.



[edit on 18-2-2008 by allMIGHTY]

i heard about that episode about one week after 911... pretty bizarre.
3 years before that, you had armageddon's NYC meteor shower, remember that one?
here's a youtube clip.

At 1.50, when the meteors start dropping, you hear the cab driver shouting "we're at war! Saddam Housein is bombing us!"
At 2.35, you see a meteor flying directly in one of the WTC towers and the whole scene ends at 3.20 with a prophetic helicopter shot of a smoking skyline, including the 2 burning WTC towers with gaping holes...

meme planting?

peace,
mr.Jones

reply to post by TheBorg

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How can I see it as a mere coincidence? Well I spose I see it like this, there could have only been so many possibilities for people writing these stories. You choose a city, New York is a big one, choose a target in NY, WTC is a prime target, choose method! The possibilities aren't endless, sooner or later someone would have written something that is creepily similar to events that happen in the future.

The same sorta thing happened in some book didn't it? It was written in the 50s and mentioned Arabs attacking NYC.

You can look back and see foreshadowing of all kinds of events which have passed in all kinds of artwork and advertisements and music and writings. Maybe some of them had visions who knows, but it's likely to be coincidence. And it doesn't mean they were in on it either!

Now, as for it being part of controlling the public via hollywood and the media all that, I don't think this is so. I think they're much more focused on CNN and FOX news and the like trying to breed a poisonous sort of patriotism, where asking questions is against America. Most importantly, The Lone Gunmen (NOT the xfiles! This wasn't the xfiles, peoples) it just wasn't a popular show. It was too brainy for most people, which means it wouldn't be effective, why waste their time on it? They'd try to control the masses with lots of breasts and explosions and fast cars on tv.

I think the album cover has some eerie-ness to it.

First of all, as mentioned before, Coup. The name of the group itself has a meaning.

Next, take the album name ... Party Music. Republican party?

What about the guy holding the sticks? A symbol that things were carefully orchestrated.

The guy holding the electronic detonator.

The position and look of the explosions.


Of course, we can read into things far more in hindsight. But I think the fact this came out days before it happened is an odd coincidence, as well as the pilot episode coming out months before is also odd. Add to that explosives in the concrete as hinted at in Get Smart, with the CIA questioning where they got that idea, whilst it aired during construction of the WTC towers.


That adds up to a lot of hollywood coincidence about one subject.

I do think some people in the know try to warn us through our media, how else would they do it? News only cares about stupid things and advertisements most of the time. At least through movies, shows, and music, the idea of possibility is planted, so if something similar happens, people are not as off-guard.

Although the other side is true. A lot of ideas get formed in the industry, some things will be similar by random chance. It is when multiple things start coming together, or it is so close it nearly mirrors it, that we need to take notice.


It would be interesting if people keep their eyes peeled and pick up on something, mentioning it here at ATS (probably get called names like doom-sayer), and then it happens ... instead of something happening, then finding the old show (or remembering it). I just pray and hope that Jericho does not come true in real life.

If you want to take Bible references and how we are mimicking it, the tower(s) of babylon fell, now the walls (infrastructure) of Jericho (U.S. community) would need to fall. Not that I follow that train of thought, just mentioning it.




btw, I watched that armageddon sequence, it really shows why I can't stand over-rated, big budget, action movies. Ridiculous explosions, unrealistic meteor paths ... it is like B-movie makers given a huge budget. I thought I saw the movie before, I must have erased that scene from memory

It does not make sense for the scenario in this episode of the Lone Gunman to be anything other than coincidence.

If 9/11 was an inside job, those behind it have managed to convince not just the majority of America, but the majority of people worldwide, along with governments that it was "terrorists." The conspirators have such a tight control of information they have managed to keep the thousands of people needed for such a tremendous cover-up quiet, along with stopping any questioning of the events in the mainstream. One must then wonder, if their control is so absolute, how could they slip-up and allow a prime-time television show to give even a hint at the "truth?"

If you are one who believes that this was a purposeful "slip," one must then wonder, if the government is trying to convince us it was "terrorists" why would they show their hand, and allow the sends of doubt to be planted?

They could 'show their hand' as a simple way of saying ... 'look, these are just crazy CTs that watch too much tv'


anyway, I don't think it would have taken nearly as many people as you think, and it would NOT have required U.S. citizen cooperation at any level beyond a few corrupt power/money grabbers.

To set up the buildings, Bush cousin was working in the buildings, including the unused floors prior to the event. Israelis pull lots of stock out of the market just before the attack. Bush and cronies claimed before running they need a Pearl Harbor event. Israelis seen celebrating and recording the event from far away. Owner of the buildings spent lots of money to buy them, but was losing money because he wasn't renting out enough space, then would have needed to spend I think in the billions of dollar amount to bring them up to code. He gets terrorist insurance before the event, claims two separate attacks to end up making billions on those towers falling. 7 had lots of money and scandal based information stored in it. It contained a bunker, but Ghooliyawni never stepped foot in that building during the event. The part that was just remodeled on the Pentagon to be 'stronger' was the very place that was struck by a wingless airliner. And laws were passed very close to that event, that would have taken months, if not years to write ... that took away our liberties and freedoms, attacking the U.S. through legislature ... which to me is the real terrorism, not some loon waving a box cutter.

I am not saying to believe any particular theory, but that includes not believing the 'official' theory, since it has not produced enough facts to prove it was as they claim, including some of the terrorists they said were on the planes were found alive and well, including the one they found the passport of.

There is no answer yet. If skepticism is placed on each theory, including every one of the 'official' reports that have come out, even the changed/revised ones ... then the only honest answer is there is no logical, scientific evidence that proves any of the supposed stories.

It may not be known until far into the future ... or never known. Other governments don't accept the reports as the truth, they starting to feel enough time has passed that they now can consider their own investigations to unanswered questions and problems. We are not the only ones to lose citizens that day.


I have no conclusions to the events, a lot of theories sound plausible. I will ONLY believe that a plane alone brought them down if some billionaire is willing to buy a plane, build a tower, and wreck the thing, with people like in this community playing watchdog to the construction, and verifying that no one manipulates the situation at all to skew the results.

Otherwise, lets see those confiscated videos from the Pentagon surrounding area. Let the phone calls and other audio evidence from NYC be released, especially of the firefighters. Show me irrefutable evidence, let the people come to their own conclusions, for all 7 WTC buildings, for the Shanksville plane, for the 5-sided building. Let us review all the evidence from the scene, the steel, aluminum, concrete, etc. Oh wait, that was being disposed of before the sun set on the east coast.


9/11 doesn't have to be an inside job, but there was more to it than a handful of jokers that couldn't fly a cessna doing major maneuvers in a jumbo jet.


But, believe what allows you to sleep at night.

reply to post by FreeThinkerIdealist

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Yup... that post got a star.
What's really creepy about the Coup aside from the incredible cooincidence of the imagery, was the name of their Label and their next album title which is Use Bigger Weapons. The chick on the cover is stadning behind the counter a convienence store with a baseball bat, there's a stereotype we have here in the US of about Arabs and convienence stores, so that just screams imagery to me.
Alot of other prior warnings as well, Willie Brown, Odigo, several foriegn intelligence agencies claim to have warned the US, the kid in the school saying that 'those buildings won't be there soon', suspicous moving companies terminating their leases and vanishing, trade surges, this and Rummy's obscure little oddity...

Law Enforcement Response to Weapons of Mass Destruction incidents... (WMD? I swear these guys are reading a script)
www.september11news.com...
The Illuminatti Card Game from the 80's...
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Even as the events unfolded the BBC was reporting WTC 7 had collapsed an hour before it collapsed and I think CNN aired a similar report. Papers on the other side of the world had already printed the story about Bin Laden being responsible for the attacks the day of 9-11...
And that's just a few.


[edit on 18-2-2008 by twitchy]

i have to say i liked all those shows, x-files, lone gunnmen and heroes does anyone know the exact episode of the simpsons that show that clip? and has anyone confronted matt groening (simpsons creator) about this and his explanation of the segment?

but i have to say i've always been a person who supported the government... but since joining this site I have to say my confidence has been swayed a bit. Some of the evidence presented is very strong but there is that feeling in my gut still that will not let me go all the way and say it was completely the government.

When I was at primary school and about 7 years old I wrote a story about a tanker filled with ANFO being blown up in New York in a terrorist attack.. wasn't there a big scare with something like that in the last few years?

That clip is pretty freaky, either it was scripted and by chance the same or someone else could have thought similar things up to bush and his cronies with some help

The discussion is about a small group of people that are within the walls of power who have the means and motives to orchestrate a terrorist act.

In the case of this show it was about increasing the sale of weapons by having people claim responsibilty for the terrorist act. Enemies were created from nothing but propaganda and stereotype.

It's business. People in the 'workplace' have different jobs, responsibilities and authority. It's business. It sucks, but some people like maintaining an income.

Here's Fox's parent company. See how much their media is in front of you on a daily basis.
News Corporation


The media is crucial in todays day and age because it is the mediator between countries and the public. If the same people who are rigging and running the world are also running the media, you don't technically need to exist. You become just the person to lie to. The day might come where the public doesn't need to be informed of anything or given tasks to perform for money that is worth nothing.

Anyone who has researched 9/11 in-depth before has seen this episode of TLG. Nice to see it resurface though.

After just a tiny bit of research, you will find out that 'The Coup' are not two idiots out there trying to make a buck, in fact, the one guy speaks quite intelligently.

This is what he said days after 9/11:



Boots [from 'The Coup'] speaks out abuot 9-11


It was a shocking good interview (as opposed to the average candy-coated interviews), including intelligent caller responses. He says he didn't want to pull the cover, so he could get his message out. He has a very interesting response to those who claim 'if you don't like it, get out'. He is educated on his stance, and believes strongly in it, and basically saying he is a patriot of truth and justice.

It was nice read, I wouldn't mind this guy coming on ATS and speaking out.

Keep your eyes open folks, these few pre-2001 911 references are just the tip of the iceburg. Here's some I've found...

Moving over to Hollywood’s many Masonic productions, we find the 9/11 attacks alluded to in several films long before 2001! In 20th Centruy Fox’s 1988 film Die Hard the first lines are spoken on a plane about how to get over the fear of flying. One guy says what he has done for 9 years and Bruce Willis says what he has been doing for 11 years. So here we have 911, on a plane, talking about fears of flying, from a Masonic production company. In the first Die Hard, John McClane (Bruce Willis) takes on 12 terrorists in a tower; in the second movie it’s terrorists at an airport. Isn’t it interesting how in the 1988 movie we have John McClane afraid of flying, terrorists, towers, 9/11, and now in 2008 we have John McCain on a presidential fear campaign revolving around terrorists, towers, and 9/11? In 1998 we also have Bruce Willis saving the world in Masonic Disney/Touchstone’s Armegeddon. Toward the end of the movie there is a countdown which passes 9:11 minutes just as the camera pans past. In another 1998 Disney/Touchstone film, Enemy of the State, a politician played by Jon Voight has his birthday on September 11th. At first glance these synchronicities may seem like mere coincidence until you realize their Masonic significance, and Hollywood’s Masonic dominance.

In Warner Bros. 1990 film Gremlins 2 there are two reporters from channels 9 and 11 holding microphones with those numbers juxtaposed. In the 1990 Universal film Problem Child the Healeys live at house number 911. The actor in this movie, John Ritter, in real life had a baby girl, Stella Ritter born on 9/11/98, then 5 years later suddenly and suspiciously John died on 9/11/03 In the 1993 Super Mario Brothers movie the Two Towers are depicted eerily half destroyed and smoking just as they would be on 9/11/01. In the movie, the Twin Towers each have on them a large symbol of a hand holding two lightning bolts. This is the very aspect of Tarot imagery from “The Tower” card substituted by “hijacked” planes on 9/11.

In 33rd Degree Mason James Cameron and Columbia TriStar’s 1991 Terminator II, Judgement Day, there is an overpass that warns “Caution 9-11.” Later in James Cameron’s 1996 film Independence Day, there is also a countdown which just happens to pass 09:11:01 as the camera pans across. At the start of another Columbia TriStar Picture, 2000’s The 6th Day, Arnold Schwarzenegger looks at his schedule which has only two times: 9:00 and 11:00. The same year in Columbia’s The Patriot, Mel Gibson’s first words, weighing a chair, in the film, are: "9 pounds, 11 ounces, perfect." Here we have 911, the “patriotic” concept of the post-911 “Patriot Act,” a Masonic production company, a Masonic measuring device and symbol of the mystery schools, ounces or OZ (77) revenge of Lamech, and the closing word, “perfect.”

In 1997 DreamWorks’ first film, The Peacemaker, George Clooney is shot perfectly between aisle 9 and 11. In a 1997 episode of the Simpsons, Lisa holds up a magazine that reads “New York $9” with a picture of the Twin Towers after the 9 which looks like 911. In 1998’s Godzilla the camera cuts to a wrist-watch showing 8:55 with the little hand on the 9 and the big hand on the 11. In 1999’s The Thirteenth Floor a wall clock shows 11:45 with the big hand on the 9 and the little hand on the 11. In Universal/Columbia’s 1999 The Bone Collector, Denzel Washington finds a piece of paper from page 119, and the date is 11/9, November 9th. In 2000’s Traffic, a large delivery truck is shown full of boxes, and on every single box is a scorpio/scorpion symbol and the number 911.

In 1998 the U.S. Department of Justice FEMA Emergency Response to Terrorism Guide had a cover picture showing the World Trade Center in crosshairs. Another symbolic representation of the 9/11 events was encoded into the year 2000 $20 bill which when folded a certain way resembles the smoking/damaged Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Rap group “The Coup” album “Party Music” which came out just after 9/11, originally in June 2001, had an album cover featuring the artists affront both WTC towers which have huge explosions/smoke clouds from the upper floors. Granted some of this pre 9/11 symbolism could be sheer coincidence and overanalyzation, but can you honestly explain away all these synchronicities so simply?

“I do not mind being called a ‘conspiracy theorist’ by those who don’t mind being called ‘coincidence theorists.’” -Co-founder of 911 Citizens Watch John Judge

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Sometimes patterns exist in life that may point to an event. But the problem exist in seeing everything as a pattern. As Freud is reported to have said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

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