The issue of topics critical of Masonry on AboveTopSecret.com ##UPDATED 2009##, page 6

Originally posted by EyeTruthTv
The illuminati do exist

Yes, they do. The most direct lineal descendants are the Skull and Bones Fraternity at Yale. There are too many coincidences there to avoid the obvious conclusions. Secondly, CONSERVATIVE ANGLO-AMERICAN Freemasonry has been infected. One of the key things that all of you are missing -- and none of these Conservative Masons will tell you -- is that there are TWO distinct lineages of Freemasonry. One goes back to Britain and is fully in league with the British Crown, which is why we have the UK-USA Treaty, Project Echelon, etc. The second lineage goes back to France and it is a completely different form of Freemasonry. Just as legitimate, it accepts men and women; minorites of every color; LGBT; and even atheists and agnostics. After years of not being an active Freemason among the Conservative Masons, I began to do a lot of research and discovered that many of the things I was taught as a Conservative Mason were outright lies.

The United Grand Lodge of England is NOT the only legitimate standard to which "all Regular" freemasonry can be traced. France's Progressive lineage is just as legitimate, even if you Conservative Masons don't like having women, minorities, gay people and atheists in lodges. Secondly, unlike the Conservative Masonic Lodges which falsely give themselves the title of "Regular Freemasonry," we do NOT give our allegiance to any colonizing entity, such as...oh, I don't know...THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY??? Figure this out: Every Conservative Anglo-American Mason answers to his lodge. That lodge answers to the State or District (in the case of Washington, DC) Grand Lodge. Each and every one of those Grand Lodges answers to...who???

They answer to the United Grand Lodge of England. And the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England is who??? It's Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (who also happens to be the Grand Master of the Boy Scouts, but that's a separate issue) of the Royal Family. And before him it was who? It was Lawrence Lumley, 11th Earl of Scarbrough. In fact, if you go back all the way through the chain of Grand Masters of the United Grand Lodge of England you will see that each and every single Grand Master was a member of the Royal Family of England, all the way back to Prince Augusts, Duke of Sussex in 1813; the REAL year that the United Grand Lodge of England was founded. 1717 was the founding of the Grand Lodge of London and is technically a FAKE date designed to make the UGLE look older and more legitimate than the Grand Orient of France.

Going back to the Illuminati Conspiracy, yes, they do exist. Yes, many of them have infiltrated the ranks of Freemasonry -- CONSERVATIVE Freemasonry. Why? Because in Progressive Masonic Lodges we are allowed to discuss Politics and Religion and weigh out what is in the best interests of humanity on an open forum unlike the Conservative Masonic Lodges. So an "Illuminatus" or Illuminatus - wannabe would not make it very long in a Progressive Obedience before he realized that his goals would never be fulfilled in such an institution. Thus, they join the Conservative Lodges, where his politics will never be questioned. That's how you get murderous, racist and bigotted assholes like Anders Behring Breivik in a Conservative Masonic Grand Lodge. HIS POLITICS WERE NEVER QUESTIONED. HE WAS JUST ASSUMED TO BE A "NORMAL" CONSERVATIVE - LEANING WHITE CHRISTIAN LIKE CONSERVATIVE ANGLO-ALLIED MASONS IN NORWAY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

So YES, there IS a problem with Conservative Freemasonry, a HUGE problem. And the only true solution is to raise the columns of the anti-Illuminati. And who are they? Progressive Freemasons. We don't hide our politics, our religion (or lack thereof), our race, our sexual orientation, etc. We are truly FREE AND ACCEPTED, and we don't run around claiming that we are "Regular" just because we have hugely inflated numbers of halfway competent chubby white guys sitting around on a weeknight because there's no bingo in town. We give charities to institutions that are based on making positive changes to humanity and unlike the other institution we really don't have anything to hide.