God Wanted to keep the races apart!

ZOMG I used a common funny stereotype. But some dude says brown people are naturaly smarter than everyone else, and nothing is said. Whatever I'm not mad or even disgusted I find it hillarious. And my satyrical reply is just that my sense of humor taking over rather than giving in to pure rage that I can see totaly justified with the statement. "people with tanned skin tend to be smarter" (Paraphrasing of course.)

Well, I'm brown and I'm a genius, so I guess I can go along with that.

reply to post by gmac1000

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Whitey isn't in charge. Trust me. I'm not white, and I know who is.

Ever since God was considered an omnipotent, omniscient being. Nothing, by extension, can happen without his knowledge and approval. God could have intended slavery for all we know. Im not saying that he did, but to say that he definitely didnt intend it is to close a door on a possibility. Who knows how he could have intended slavery- maybe to have a massive influx of africans into America?


You have a concept of god as a separate being from humanity. In truth, we are all one and the same, we are him and he is us. There is no free will, there is only destiny and a number of paths that you may walk to reach the end.



There is no concept of micro-management if "god" as a concept is only a unifying force of the universe. Every action taken by a man is the will of god, simply because if it is not willed by god, it cannot take place. A benevolent god wouldnt sit by and watch a man kill another man. The only thing that can explain this is that the second man was fated to die for reasons unknown (maybe karma).



The point i was making is that it is arrogance to assume that we can do as we please without gods approval. Free will is an illusion insomuch as it is bound by cause and effect.

And yes, at the risk of being lambasted i must stick up for capitalism. Some humans do deserve more than others because they contribute more to society. Why should a doctor and a murderer be given the same amount of money? Worth is judged by merit, and capitalism is the ultimate meritocracy.
Its not a christian value, but then im not christian so it doesnt bother me.


Im not quite sure what you mean here. You are judging god if you say that the actions of man are borne of free will, because you are saying a benevolent god would stand by and watch injustice such as murder, rape etc.

My concept of god is a unifying force which does not exercise "control" because he is not a separate entity from humanity. Because we are god, he is omniscient and omnipotent because he is everything. In this system, there is limited free will, bound by causality.

Let me put it another way:

If god gave you everything you have today (including your intelligence, money etc), why would be give you free will to do as you saw fit (which is limited by your intelligence), and then judge you on the results? This is the primary inconsistency within certain philosophies. Free will would only work if we were all born equal, but we are not.

The point of my post was to explain that Whitey isn.t...the same thing to said and seem to correct me on...Read my post carfully before reply to it...

You will see i said the same as you...

reply to post by jedimiller

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The title of your opening post is: God wanted to keep the races apart.

...but it's not about race. OK, whatever.

God, by definition is omniscient and omnipotent. Knows all, sees all...
The Alpha and the Omega. He knows what has come, what is, and what will be... If he wanted the races separate, he'd have done something about it by now, don't you think?

God wanted to keep Races apart..

No, Humans of darker skin live in hotter climes. Whites like myself live in Manchester where it rains alot.

Manchester has a massive Black community. As does any City in the UK. Why? Because regardless of our history together we accept one another.
Yes I'll agree there are problems, like with anything in life.
It's got bugger all to do with God separating us. If anything God has brought us together. It's called The Human Race. Climb aboard kiddo It's a scream!!

Like giving humans seperate languges , cultures, beliefs, and many other things to keep us all different cause as long as we appear different on the surface then we will have no desire to form together to battle the God Of Duality, and Duality covers both good and evil, right or wrong , Devil And Jehovah. Created by the same thing...


The only way we will acsend is to realise that we are all mice in this expiriment and not only can chew its way out..

[edit on 23-3-2008 by gmac1000]

And did those feet in ancient times walk upon englands pastures green?

According to popular belief the son of god came to england as a child!!!

Racism is a lack of understanding that is no longer tolerated by the Majority!

God never intended us to be kept apart never....

if you want to go down this avenue and i don't believe in the bible as a whole however god created adam and eve and they were together from the start!

Go forth and multiply diversify and never take the color of someones skin into consideration

reply to post by gmac1000

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Yet loe and behold, that hasn't stopped us from doing so for as long as people have been around. Somehow or other, we keep doing what is supposedly against the will of God. Personally, I doubt God really gives a rip whether people with a little more melatonin get jiggy with someone who is rather more melatonin challenged.

Ya know I don't take life that seriously. We are here only once regardless of the many after life threads that may appear on ATS.

One thing that still annoys me the most is this constant question that arises about Black and White. Why are Humans still so insecure with skin colour. We can try and accept one and others Religions and political beliefs. But Why do we still bring up skin colour. What the hell does it have to do with anything. As a race of Humans our Religious Belieifs span the Planet and have nothing to do with skin colour. There are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists of all kinds and skin colours.

What is wrong with us and more to the point.. Why do we feel the need to kill another Human based on skin colour or belief..

It's tragic, embarrasing and humiliating. Aren't we all from the same stuff of life.

Or Am I missing something?

reply to post by dts01

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What!? You mean there's life outside of ATS? Sacrilege!

Why would an omniscient/omnipotent God bother with Creation, if there wasn't something after this mortal coil ends?

Maybe there is for the God in question. But for us. We are but advanced forms of pond scum, are we not?

And anyways when was the last time you heard of a frog calling a toad a racist name!!

reply to post by dts01

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Since I don't speak frog or toad, I really couldn't tell you...

Pond scum? Wow, and I thought I had a grim view of humanity. I would make a freindly suggestion that you broaden your horizons. Mankind has a lot going for it, too. Artwork, artistic expressions of many sorts. Not everything is bad....

reply to post by 44soulslayer

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Hmmm not going through your whole post in reply but I did read it.

We are obviously talking about a different God. I'm just coming from the traditional Christian understanding of the Bible and what it says about 'free will'.

I can see you don't agree with what the Bible says and have your own interpenetration, because I have never read anything about different paths and God and us being the same in the Bible. Even though I would agree with you normally as I myself see God as being the life force in EVERYTHING not just Humans and no not some separate being. God is the consciousness of the universe. But it's hard to argue from your own interpenetration unless it's known, other wise we have to revert to the common understanding so we all know what point we are arguing from. Does that make sense?

But having said that I still don't think God, whatever she is, is micro-managing everything. To me this just comes back to the lack of personal responsibility that seems rampant in people nowadays. It's easier to blame something else than take responsibility and have to act on it, don't you agree? The world is a mess because we keep blaming all our problems on anything but ourselves. God needs to replace the sky with a mirror...

reply to post by ANOK

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In a way, yes i agree.

I agree that "destiny" is sometimes used as an excuse by bad people to justify what they do.

However in my opinion, its also true that free will is not truly free because it is bound by cause and effect, and situation.

A person is only capable of doing what is within their realm of intelligence. If a person is born with an IQ of 50, they have no ability to tell right from wrong. They do not have the free will to choose, because to them everything is a mystery.

Their situation was imparted to them by god, or by dictations of karma- whichever you prefer to ascribe this to.

So my point is, how can they be judged on the actions they take when they are on an uneven playing field? You cannot hold a mentally retarded person to his actions if he is incapable of making an active choice to be evil.

Oh dear ANOK we seem to have taken this thread way off topic! Maybe we should start a new one to debate free will as a concept? U2U me if youre interested, you seem like an interesting guy to debate with!

I say this with the utmost courtesy: Often, JediMiller, your posts cause me to have grave concerns for humanity, then I read the replies and my hope is renewed.

Thanks. Well I try to think out of the box. I hope you understand. I'm just trying to figure out why we all look differently. it's not just the color of the skin. it's the body, genetics and skeletal frames.

You certainly achieve your goal. Way outside the box.

In answer to your question, which I suspect is rhetorical theatre, surely you notice the vast range of sizes, shapes and shades within your own family tree? Well, it's just going to extrapolate infinitely as the tree gets bigger, as in the human race.

Actually I don't see those bone characteristics in my family. Compared to african americans with larger skulls and oval heads. No one in my family can build up bone mass ever as such does african americans do. Every race is different in everyway. Molecularly, mentally, technologically and culturally. However you put it, an Asian and a russian will never be the same using those factors. Sure people say we are all one race. I believe we are all different races.

Think of the apes. Are gorillas the same as chimps or femurs? No. They might be all apes but they differ in their races. am I the only one who see's this? maybe because I took those anthropology courses I can tell the differences.