God Wanted to keep the races apart!

The tower of babel story in the bible explains why we were seperated culturally and lingustically. To keep us from uniting and trying to be bigger than god.

Ay, aside from all the sense it makes, how can we possibly deny his Jedi-logic?
Or resist those jedi-mind games?
"I am not the racist you seek" *Waves hand*

Ok... Now I've been thinking for a little while as how to reply to this thread...

Take a look at my avatar, the genetics of my son are extremely mixed. My wife is Chinese. Her father is Hakka, the founding tribe of the Hong kong, Canton coastal areas. Her mother is from deep inside China and looks much more Eurasian. Even Chinese people think my wife is Japanese because she doesn't quite look Chinese. I'm English, my parents were both born in England. My grandparents however were born in Malta , invaded by the moors plenty of times, so that give me a possible Arabic/African link, but there is also links to Spain and Italy in the family bloodline. Another was Flemish which has Dutch, German and French influences. Another had Saxon links which is again another part of what became Europe. The only grandparent I don't know about passed shortly after childbirth and because she was evacuated out of London during the war, didn't have a great deal of paperwork.

I'm not religious, I wouldn't say I'm closed minded about religion, but for God (in which ever form he/she possibly inhabits) to not see the integration of different cultures is just retarded.

My son and other children like him, Mr.J's daughter, are the future. HUMANS that can speak several languages and that can communicate across boundaries and borders and help to bring people closer together through a shared love for life.

IF this thread is your own views of the world then quite frankly you make me sick.

IF this is just as you say a theory, then I pity the way you think.

MonKey



[edit on 18/2/08 by ChiKeyMonKey]

What a load of crap, the evil race "reptilians" have created our suffering and division. So we can never wake up to the truth and continue fighting against each other.

I know im gunna get in trouble for this, but i agree with a couple of the other members.Jedi is the only one on my foe list because some of the ideas he throws out are so fundamentally flawed and ignorant i have to read his posts because its like watching a train crash in slow motion.Horrible but weirdly entertaining nonetheless.

If chickeymonkey says I'm sick. then I am. Perhaps I was wrong with my theory. And I apologize. However, I was trying to figure out "God's mind". And to know someone, you have to think like them. it's like CSI.

I figured that God had a reason to place us all around the world and seperate us for a reason. and that reason, I don't know. but put your shoes in god's shoes.


Lets say you are God. just try to think outside the box for a minute.

1. You find a planet and want to populate it.
2. you have 10 different races to inhabit this planet.
3. how do you go about laying down the human map.


so now the question. Would you put all of the races together when you get there? or would you seperate them by miles and expect them to meet sometime or another? and why would you want to do that?

Maybe it's the opposite. perhaps god started laying down the human races separately..in order to make the relations more interesting later. So when I say that god wanted to seperate the races..that could have been at first, but later he knew that the unstopable would occur when they met. Wars, invasions, slavery and such things. And maybe god knew that all of these things would occur.

I've got some heat from my critical thinking in the past. but this tops the cake. I admit I could have been wrong, but then I think, why didn't god just put all the races together in one place? why did he spread everyone around. and I think that could be due to evolution. maybe god knew that evolution would only happen if the races grew up isolated and alone.. to later meet another and learn from the other.

I hope none of you think that i'm racist. because I'm not. sure, i've got lots of U2u's about it and many foes. but I can deal with it. So I hope this explains my position a little bit more.

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Or maybe he isn't a anal retentive planner.
Not say you are.
But you concept of god makes he/she/it sound like it.

Your argument is flawed for the simple fact that .. what exists is the choice of God. Which is .. was made that way by God. Time unfolds as God intends. Ever heard the saying "everything happens for a reason" ?

I've been presented with so many strange circumstances throughout my life that I have to say with all certainty that I am totally uncertain whether things happen for a reason or not. They seem to be happening for a reason.

If you follow the line that God is all powerful, or at least in total creative control of this world, then if God didn't want the races to meet, we wouldn't have met. Alternatively, I can vouch first hand that God did indeed want the races to meet. I have tons of friends of different ethnicities, mixed ethnicities, and I've dated women from various ethnicities and mixtures there-of. God would not allow this were it not to be?

Please remember the subject of this thread and remain on topic.

And as always, civility includes not commenting on other posters.

way wrong dude.all of humanity is supposed to breed together. To achieve our ultamite forms. The children born of more tan one "race" tend to be smarter, more charismatic, and more physically fit. Do not every question god, though this sounds a little more like mother nature's area of expertise to me

Errr... God who has the power to create floods, earthquakes and every other force of nature can't seem to stop the different races from meeting each other in large numbers?

Gash... I am beginning to think that we may indeed be more powerful than God.... .

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If god didn't want us to fight each other, why didn't he just make us more tolerant?

The different races were not made geographically disparate because they were different races; different races developed because they were geographically disparate and adapted to their environments.

If this sort of thing interests you, I can recommend Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond (ISBN 978-0099302780 ) an excellent effort at explaining why civilisations developed at different rates and thus why certain parts of the world are better developed than others.

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Hi Naboo, star wars fan at all? planet naboo perhaps? you are an interesting guy if that's you in the pic. on topic. you see I don't believe that the different races adapted and all of that evolutionary hocus pocus. I believe God came here, planted humans on geographically different (By race) locations and then left. Our brain did learn, and our brains did learn new things over the ages. But I have never believed that we came from the homo sapiens and all that jumbo mumbo. I took the anthropology classes to know this and spent numerous days at the san diego zoo examining the silver back gorillas. And what did I learn? we are not related to the homosapiens or any other homo species.

I am not a Star Wars fan, I am a Mighty Boosh fan, it is a comedy series here in the UK. Naboo, he of my avatar, is one of the characters.

I am pleased that you have taken some time to try and understand evolutionary theory and natural selection, but I am a little concerned that you didn't do quite as much research as you could have done! Have you read much about evolutionary theory? I can recommend Richard Dawkins' earlier work which is less atheistic in its rhetoric and maybe rather more palatable to religious individual than yourself. Which anthropology classes did you take and what led you to your conclusion that we are not related to any other species of the genus Homo? Surely you noticed the extraordinary physiological similarities between Humans and the Great Apes.

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Jedi, you aren't being philosphical with these posts and we all know it, you're doing it to get that rise out of us every time you post something so blatantly ignorant it makes me want to head butt my monitor.

Just plain ol' racism folks.

Well, we looked at many chimpaze's, femurs, etc. We examined the bone structures of almost homo genus. But particularly the Homo-erectus. Yes, their skeletal form was similar to ours. now, an ape is similar to us today as well. does that mean that they were intelligent like us? I found that premise to be false.

It's hard to understand, i'll make it easy. the theory goes that the lineage can be traced back to the chimps. that they are our cousins. but I realized that yes, the chimp ape already reached their evolution and became extinct. think the planet of the apes. the apes became that and they died off. those are the remains we found. now there is a missin link, of many thousands of years where we don't see any found remains of people that actually looked like us, because we never found the skeletal remains. basically, science is saying that because the apes became erect that we are cousins..and I just don't buy it. you see their heads were enlongated, their jaws thick and their hands very large, but many had a smaller brain capacity. what you had with the homo sapiens and the other genus was walking monkeys, that's all they were..they died off. We came later and have no relation to them. hope that explains why I don't take evolution as a scientific method.

First off Miller, your wording is horrible.
Absolutely, bar none, it's horrendous.
In that first paragraph up there, you claim chimp evolution is entirely completed- And that they are extinct.
Probably not what you meant, but, there it is. You said it.

So, why do you want us to think about planet of the apes?
Because it was terrible fiction, like your theory?
Please explain.
Do you mean, that, in planet of the apes, the apes evolved past modern day primates, and the the primates went extinct?
Again you'd be wrong, Miller. The primates wouldn't be extinct, as they had evolved over time as a species to became the planet ruling over-lords they'd become.

As for our ancestors bone structures, which date back millions of years.
Why would our ancestors bone structure be the same as ours today?
Let me ask you this Miller, how well do you think humans today would fair, millions of years ago, with utterly no technology or brain power to create tools against predators?

Of course out bone structure and brain size was different, it had to be, because we had an entirely different, animalistic way of life.

Your theory is so wrong, flawed, and chalked up with racism it's disgusting.


EDIT: Whatever "Courses" or "Classes" you took, you should demand your money back if these are the conclusions it lead you to.
It's beyond bad science, it's not even good fiction.
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[edit on 18-2-2008 by Dewm0nster]

Shouldn't that be "cultureS" and "religionS"? Moral values are moral values. Isaac Asimov even summed them up in three simple laws. Don't harm another human. Don't allow another human to come to harm. Protect yourself unless it brings harm to another human. That he gave these laws only to robots was only a little shortsighted of him...

America has been multi-cultured since the Spaniards opened a channel. As far as the immigrants then believed, the land had been given to them by God to explore and exploit. As late as whatever century saw the French presenting the nation with the Statue of Liberty, it was a place for the "huddled masses" and until today a refuge for the displaced.

It would seem that God's intention, and if presumption of His intent is blasphemy I apologise to God, was to show the rest of the world how to get along using the Americas as a template, a template most other nations have followed only in the last century or two and, in some cases, for less altruistic reasons than the Founding Fathers propounded in the original and unamended American Constitution.

Cultural openness didn't take anywhere in the world because humans are essentially tribal and xenophobic. Evolved lions would probably have similar problems. Most animals fear and avoid the odd, strange and peculiar. God has continually tried to raise our tolerance above the level of most other animals, but we have a nasty tendency to ignore Him on this as on most other moraityl-based issues.

We humans have a great capacity for good and a natural bias toward bad. Because we more often overcome this bias than succumb to it, we think we're something pretty special; and to some extent we are. But on the other hand, even after two thousand years of Christianity and Islam, 4000 of Judaism, I-don't-know-how-long of Buddhism etc, we still can't figure out the basics of not harming each other or our civilisation. On that count, I suspect we're something pretty specially bad in the universe.

Embrace the 3 laws. Let's start being the good guys....

If you believe in God, then you must believe He is the Supreme Mind of the Universe. And you want to think like Him???

Good luck with that. If you make it, mind if me an' a few mates set around an' worship you for a while?

Point I'm making is that any god's mind is going to be waaaaaay beyond human understanding. He just isn't likely to think in terms of local issues, any more than an American President factors in local politics in Iraq when planning his daddy's oil investments.

Even if Creationists are right, people were placed around the world and adapted to survive. Racism doesn't come from God, it comes from men being afraid of other men.

This is funny, God never made religions.