God Wanted to keep the races apart!

Few things here...

As a white Irish guy married to an Indian girl,
I clearly support the intergration of the races.

Hybrid vigor is a real thing- it IMPROVES our species,
from a pure biological standpoint, just like reporducing
with your first cousin could result in the mutation of chromosomes,
as often seen with inbreeding.

That is not to say that same-race mate pairings, and their off-spring,
are anything less desirable, genetically. I am 100% Irish and I think
I am pretty normal. The point is- there is no argument AGAINST any type of parental pairing, racially. It is all good...

Now... about the question regarding God's placement of the races
in different parts of the globe, initially, when the game of Life started.

I think the overlooked answer is that such segregation, geographically, is the ESSENCE of racial definitions. What made one tribe have skin was because of how hot is was where they were, and their skin adapted, and changed, as in all biological EVOLUTION.

Races, by their nature, are a symptom of evolution... and the ironic thing is that the intended FATE and OBJECTIVE of evolution itself is for all the races to blend into one supra-race, including DNA from all races.

Natural selection, the engine of evolution, will slowly but surely create a better set of genes in the gene pool for future generations to dip their evolutionary toe into. Natural selection will bring out the best in all races, and those DIFFERENCES which used to divide us, culturally and politically, well- that will be the very nature of the blended supra-race... the child born in 2 or three generations will have a wider breadth of biological building blocks than us or our ancestors.

God put different races on Earth so we could learn to love... it is easy to like what is exactly like you. It is harder to love something- or someone- so different. By overcoming racism through mixed marriages/breeding, we use biology to solve a political problem.

No one can be a racist if they have a little black, irish, jewish, polish, russian, spanish and chinese blood flowing through their veins...


TPM

Hi, Highdef. Good post. I think people are misunderstanding me somewhat. I do believe in past evolution, and I do believe that in the past apes evolved into the homoerectus, the neanderthal. But, I believe that they became extinct, and died off and they are no longer here. Now, anthropology tries to connect us to those old humans by saying that we looked kinda the same. bone structure etc. but they forgot the missing link; they assume we all come from them because our skeletons look kinda the same. and we don't. My belief is that God came here, went around the world and created each section of the world and he tried to make everyone different. In the beginning, god created earth, and created us, but he had to put us somewhere if you believe it or not, he decided to divide us by our looks, culture and whatever else you call race. but the point is..that he did that. because evolution does not explain how one person from russia looks very different from a Mayan in Mexico. The sun cannot mold you that way..the food or the location has nothing to do with how you act, look, fight or create culture. My original post has nothing to do with evolution..it has to do with God coming to earth and placing us in different locations. and why he could have done that. And the only explanation I got from my research was..that he didn't want us to mix too much fearing that we could become jealous or others or try to take away their lands..cause war or whatever else. Recall, I never said that it was wrong to mix with other races and culture..i'm all for it. I'm just trying to understand how god planned out the human map. take away the evolution factor from my theory.

you're welcome. She has my looks and her mam' brains - or was it the other way?
anyway, yes - smart and gorgeous

only reason i'm still replying is that issue is kinda personal for me, so here goes



If I understand correctly, you're saying that there are other "adams and eves" for different races, and since this is not mentioned in the bible, they somehow must have lost that part? And you got this insight from taking anthropology classes and going to the zoo...

Fair enough

Are you aware that there are several races inbetween races? Like people who live at the border regions between asia and russia, or south asia and africa, or europe and africa. And that those people have racial features of both. Where do they fit in in your theory of "one continent for you one continent for them and let's never mix up"?

And i god was so smart, why wouldn't he put asians on a planet in a solar system far far away, and middle eastern people on another even further away etc etc? He surely could have anticipated that they would never develop long distance space travel, right..

/sarcasm off/

peace nevertheless,
mr.Jones

Good question. I think that may had to do with location while he was creating(working) the humans. For example, if he arrived in Africa and used the earth and the surrounding elements to make humans there, perhaps he had no way of knowing how the final human would look like and his end result had to do with using his surroundings to make those humans. Let's assume that later that week he then went to Alaska. Used the natural elements in Alaska, snow, dirt, or whatever it may be. then the humans there came out different. God is like an artist and whenever he creates something it comes out all looking different everytime. So he couldn't make one type of human and spread him around the world at once, because he wanted to infuse the location to the human characteristics or because he didn't have that ability to take a human group and move him to other locations. And that could be why he did it that way.

jedi,

What I see you doing though is trying to juxtapose your theory on to a PORTION of the Biblical account, which means you have neglected the full Biblical account of the creation of human beings and then the subsequent geologic events that separated and isolated populations from each other.

Genesis 10:25

"Two sons were born to Eber:
One was named Peleg, [a] because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan."

Why do we have to neglect this passage, which intimates that the super-continent Pangaea was divided LONG after the creation? After Noah even! Five generations after Noah to be exact.

All I'm trying to point out is, if you stick with the Biblical record in the Creation story, your theory of God choosing to create different races in separate areas doesn't really hold up, because we would have all originated on the same super-continent.

[edit on 2-17-2008 by Valhall]

Not neglecting it at all; enforcing it. You have to realize that if God went to South America and created humans down there too, and they documented it. It would be very hard for that document to make it into the bible. How would the incas add their story into the bible? they simply couldn't. the story of Genesis is true and factual, but it cannot include all of the areas of the world in the story because God went everywhere. In Genesis you are getting the story from that point of view and that location. The bible, as a history book, tells the story of what God did locally. I am sure you would agree with me that God did more work everywhere else and not just in Africa with the Garden of Eden

Yes, I do agree. But you avoided my point. The lands were not divided. Don't diminish the time between Adam and Peleg...it could have been quite a chunk of time....definitely ample enough for people to migrate to new regions.

I tend to believe more that the races were free to interact until the division of the continents happened. Which would imply God didn't care about intermixing of races. I cannot find any evidence in the Bible that supports He cared one way or the other...not a letter that insinuates that.

If God is all knowing, how in the hell didn't he see this coming?
What, you think Europeans or Middle Easterner got to the border of Africa and were like " Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Don't go in there! That's out of our bubble!"

That was possibly the worst theory I've ever heard, bar none.
I put reptillian theories above that.
Smart thinkin', Ace. Glad you could unlock the mind of a creator.

EDIT: Ah man, I didn't read who the op was because the idea alone was so absurd. But, I'm not surprised to find it was Miller, of all people.
Haven't seen you around for a while Miller, were you trying to think of your next general ignorance thread?

[edit on 17-2-2008 by Dewm0nster]

young man. what is your proof genesis is true and factual. you have
created a belief on what you've been taught. you must understand
there are different glasses with which to view history. your inference
of race shows that in addition to your views being shaped by organized
religion, you have also allowed your views to be shaped by race.
the past has shown the race factor to be one of the detriments
to knowledge. FREE YOUR MIND YOUNG MAN!!!

the people here are attempting to explain to you that race has NOTHING
to do with human history. truth is always good, but "perceived" truth
is virtually useless and a waste of valuable time.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by last time here]

Three fatal flaws of logic there OP.

(1) There is no God*, and (2) if there was, what it 'created' here on Earth is by no means a testament to it's 'smartness'. (3) There is only one existing human race (homo sapien sapien), all others have died off.


* No proof anyway, I don't want to get into an epistemological argument over that.

[edit on 2/17/2008 by Arcane Demesne]

So much for that "omniscience" thing, huh?

And for the record... we're Homo sapiens. We evolved from earlier hominids, who had evolved from earlier hominids, who, somewhere far back, originated from Pleistocene pongonids.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by TheWalkingFox]

How about this for all you religious nuts.....

SATAN wants to keep races apart. The more people focus on the reasons why they are apart the more war and hatred there is. The more we identify with this separation the more we fight and taint our souls. The more souls end up in Hell.

If we all loved each other and saw themselves in even their most distant brothers, there would be no war and hatred and crap. The idealist view I guess.

But I don't believe in Satan, so there you have it.

reply to post by jedimiller

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Your sure are sounding like a racist there friend. Regardless what you SAY is your aims.


[edit on 17-2-2008 by WraothAscendant]

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i hope you don't actually believe any of the tripe you have just posted.

i don't usually post in this part of the site because i know the kind that dwell here , but this made the front page.

for the sake of argument:

Dint god just make Adam & Eve ?

I'm sorry, but this is just a bit ridiculous. Even if we throw out all evolutionary accounts of the characteristics we call 'race' and take your proposal as true, we're left with either a fairly short-sighted god, at best, or an evil trickster hell-bent on getting you one way or the other.

I mean, so he goes and scatters all his little races all over the world, and either (a) provides a simple geographical means of traveling from point A to point B (land bridges, shallow seas, etc.) and/or (b) provides ample resources to develop the technology to traverse the distances not covered in (a). And then he says, "Now don't you folks go a-wandering and get yourselves in trouble." It's no better than the Welcome-to-Paradise-and-do-whatever-you-like-but-oh-by-the-way-don't-eat-that-apple-over-there story in Genesis. Apparently, your boy God is fond of setting traps and unwinnable scenarios.

Of course, that's all assuming your initial theory holds water, which I don't think it does.

Hey, it's ok. Sometimes we all have ideas that seem right at the time and after awhile, as we grow a little more and get a little wiser, we realize that maybe there is a better idea or that we were simply wrong.

Let me give you an example.

I was once sitting at my desk and shining a light thru a prism. The prism broke the light down and made a rainbow against the wall. I knew why this happened because of 7th grade science. All color comes from the white spectrum. Pass white light thru a prism and the color is broken down. It then dawned on me that what this meant was that everyone was actually white. There were no people of color in the world, we were all white and I could prove it with a light and prism.

I sat down to write this new discovery when it dawned on me just how offensive my discovery would be to folks who didn't care for white people that much. After just a bit more thought I stuffed that genie back in the bottle and it has stayed there until this very day. This is the first time i've ever discussed it.

I thought it was a good thought when it first occurred to me. Upon further contemplation I realized it was really pretty awful.

I think you should put a little more thought into your proposal as well. You might just come to see it differently than you do now.

wupy

Still, the funniest thing about the OP is that he claims that conflict between different types of people is grounds for segregation. If that's the case, God wants men and women to be kept apart. I can guarantee that I've had more ground shattering arguments with my girlfriend than I've ever had with an Iraqi.

He wanted to keep us apart to cause racism because if we were all together it would be different. Religion causes racism and hate it is common sense and the proof is.. look at world today, if we all viewed things the same way (as humans) there would be no violence.

But if people keep living narrow minded lives instead of living the universe there will constantly be fighting.

This is just another reason for me to keep jedimiller as the only person on my ignore list. Just reading his reasoning concerning this issue through quotes in other posts makes me want to vomit in anger.

OK , here is my 2 cents..

God? what is god? a figment of mans imagination! can u really believe in an omnipresent being that see's all and hears all ? Blimey hope he's got plenty of headache pills!!

According to the "bible" this so called god full of love n stuff created "just" Adam and Eve and kicked em out of paradise for eating an apple!! now . if thats not a lil bit over the top i dont know what is!!!

So, the deity did not put races apart cos he supposedly only created 2 people and from there the Earth was seeded ... Hmmm nah !!

As has been said before, i feel we evolved through natural evolution from the apes and all the gloop before , from Africa to China and Europe , from (please excuse spelling im very tired ) neanderthal to cromanian we evolved to present day Homo Sapien ... From Europe, America was discovered either by the Vikings, Knights Templar or Columbus , But , not any "god" Europeans brought Africans to America as slaves for money, trade, nothing else!

And finally , IF there was an all loving seeing "GOD" why the hell is this planet on a course to self destruction? Why is there War? Why is there so much hatred in this world ? If "GOD" is so wonderful why are we all not sitting on a nice sandy beach suckin on cocktails reading all the good news n love in the tabloids ?? Why not?

Cos .. and your going to hate this god bothering bible bashers! There is no such thing!!!!! If there is....... WHO CREATED GOD ???????

Soap box away now!!

Regards

Git