Russian state TV suggests USA involved in drug-trafficking from Afghanistan

Originally posted by andy1033

Yep, that was the rumour, if true, just shows you, what sort of people run this sort of thing.

Or what kind of people come up with this stuff.

The British Empire got the whole international drug market rolling about 300 years ago, tobacco and tea.

Then they discovered China and opium, India and the middle east for cannabis. The whole of the Americas was developed from sugar and tobacco sales.

The Sumerian / Babylonian / Egyptians placated the slaves with beer and grains

So, it just follows that in a domination empire, the state would control the drugs that dull the masses.

Keeping "certain" drugs on a list of state controlled substances is just to keep the slaves from understanding that they are slaves of the state
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actually in the late 70s and 80s the drug cartel "The Country Boys", based in Harlem headed by Frank Lucas, were the ones smuggling Heroin in caskets from Vietnam. The location of arrival was North Carolina, and it was then taken to New York for sale.

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And his Heroin he called "Blue Magic" .. and there was a movie last year called American Gangster starring Denzel Washington as Frank Lucas explaining all of this. Tsk tsk ..



[edit on 2/16/2008 by runetang]

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
I have to say this is mostly crap. I was there patrolling, doing missions in areas where there was cultivation of drug crops. The military does urinanalysis on soldiers suspected of harvesting and using the stuff.

I don't think the article said anything about current soldiers USING.

That doesn't mean the covert ops in those countries aren't involved in the drug trade.

You are not part of the CIA. You do not know what they are up to, but somehow CIA owned planes crash with tons of coc aine...and nothing happens.

In addition, the Afghan National Police are primarily responsible for drug smuggling. We had no jurisdiction to inspect them or their vehicles.

Actually, NATO has been doing a lot of smuggling. As for the mainstream US military, I have no doubt they are largely innocent.

I am not talking about large scale military operations.

This is all covert operations.

Basically:
1. We dont tolerate drug use, smuggling by soldiers or contractors especially on FOBs.
2.We can't stop the Afghan National Police from smuggling or using drugs.
3. We won't stop the warlords from growing cash crops due to the hearts and mind philosophy.
4. We won't stop the Afghan National Army from burning those same crops.
5. We won't stop them from shooting each either.

Agreed with all these points.

[edit on 2/16/2008 by biggie smalls]

Great way to fund several trillion dollars worth of black budgets, or at least a good chunk of it.

Make drugs illegal, make sure you control the source (as much as possible), get the public to pay for both the war on drugs and the purchase of drugs on the street, and watch the money roll in every which way!

If's diabolically brilliant!

They are just mad that we have been successful there while they suffered greatly during their invasion.

reply to post by US Monitor


MAD? We ARE SPARTA, anyways back on the topic. Of course they are mad, because all those drugs are being sent to Russia through countries likE Dagestan and Tajikistan. When your children will suffer from drug addiction, may be you will understand.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by Odessit]

[edit on 16-2-2008 by Odessit]

This could be a play by Putin and company to help muddy the war game in Afghan and co. What do you suppose they would want to do that for?
Drug smuggling and war goes hand in hand. Follow British and Dutch history and behold…smugglers.
The old heroin route went to Iran, China and then to Europe after the lab work. (some went to some of the old Soviet states) The powers that be want to change some of this to interrupt some other “Enemies”.

The Europe connection has been busted many times, to a certain degree, but not with the chief players. The Chinese connection is still strong.

Of course elements of the CIA and Intelligence are mixed up in this but they do not directly profit from it. Its part of the messy biz called war and the NSA and CIA (whatever intelligence apparatuses is involved) do what is necessary to protect American interests. After the Afghan-Soviet war the powers that be directed the trade and supplied about 30% of the American market with Pakistan/Afghan border opium/heroin. The opium was sold for about $400 a kilo to the locals. The Opium was then transported to the labs and most of Afghan Heroin is sold in Europe. A kilo of “Afghan” heroin goes for about $170,000. The poppy farmers get about $400. a kilo. It has been said that about 90% of the heroin in Europe comes from Afghanistan and the other 10% may filter into America. So if you compare the 10 percent from Asia filling 30 percent of the demand in America where does the rest come from? Columbia through Mexico. Black tar.(unpure...Afghan is about 70 to 90 pure) The heroin trade in Europe is much larger then in America.

The heroin trade is not as profitable as other things they could be involved with. It is a very dirty trade (heroin) in relation to other biz.

Some observers believe that we should create a solid trading platform for the poppy growers by taking the product to legit pharma. This would be good. Why destroy poppy farmers when we can help them in a legit way? Besides blowing innocent people up should we take away there main means of support when in can become beneficial to all?

I am not ignorant of the Cocaine trade but that is an entirely different demographic. It is mainly a middle class and above target. (Different then crack) I believe most are aware that some mavericks have used their clearance to trade in coca.

The bottom line is the drug trade, by historical merit, trades hand in glove with the arms trade and some very old money from Europe has always had there hands around it. Nobody is about to disturb them. Putin knows this and he simply wants to make some noise. Putin owns the press in Russia.

there's a big shocker. this is something that has been obvious for the past 6-7 years. ever since the USA invaded, poppy production has gone up over 200%. i'm sure many of you know or have heard about the CIA's involvement in drug trafficing before. it's disgusting but true.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by LooseLipsSinkShips]

reply to post by whiteraven


I think you are mistaken about direct US involvement.

Often times we own the production fields.

How do you think the drugs get here in the first place, UPS?

What a joke.

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We are talking about the heroin trade....not the drug trade as a whole. First off you must note that the heroin trade is in competition with the coc aine trade. Two different highs...both addictive.

Transporting heroin is very different then transporting coke. Coke is generally transported in multi kilo size quantities. Heroin, from Asia comes in a thing called a unit…700 grams. (A Kilo is a 1000 grams)

An Asian unit (700 GRAMS) is known as China white if it comes through the Hong Kong or Thailand route. The smugglers (Called Body Packers) will gulp down a honey/sugar coated condom and fly to there destination. Some of the body packers are now coming from Nigeria. They want young white females to do the dirty work in order to get by profiling. The China White junk is controlled by a few families in China, Thailand, and Burma. Again..this is different then the European trade. Most of the China White does not make its way to the USA…a little does through Hong Kong/Vancouver connections and the TRIADS.
I made an error in my first post…black tar is mostly Mexican. Colombia is morphing from coc aine to heroin as well because some other powerbrokers have pretty well cornered the coc aine smuggling. (This might have some CIA pawprints)
Columbian Heroin has evolved and it competes with Asia now. (sorry for the error earlier..I am tired)
The heroin trade has morphed since 9/11. Decentralization is the new key word and the aftermarket Opium players are keenly aware of this. The older structures have been dismantled with smaller labs being built in the jungles of Asia and South America.

Smugglers are people(swallowers) not planes or boats. Consumption of heroin is done via snorting like coke…..unless you are a heavy user….then both coke and heroin can be intravenenes.

I don’t want to babble on and on about the structural differences in the coke trade and the heroin trade….I think you see the difference. The heroin trade requires human “mules” and does not incorporate a plane load of product worth millions. The product changes hands many, many times before it this the streets. It is too messy for an organization like the CIA to get involved with. It is micro. They may know something about it but they do not traffic in it. It is a waste of time and money to do that.

of course the united states is involved in drug trafficking, how do think so many hard to make drugs like heroin, coc aine, and other specialized drugs come into the us. it is so hard to processes those drugs, and to bring them over just by boards. there is only so much you can bring in by automobile to supply 300 million citizens of the united states. that is a lot of people. think about how ever town, city, and suburb that need their fix. it is impossible to think that it all comes from boarders. the need of air planes and boats are required to supply the population, to be honest, how many drug dealers know how to fly planes and navigate boats, country to country.

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Oh yeah you are going to sit here and tell someone who has been there what is going on. I love it. Use some anti-ignorance please. This man has put his life on the line so you can say stupid crap like that and this is what he gets? Have the respect and smarts to know that everyone was not put on this earth to lie to you Biggie. If the C.I.A does stuff like this than you can be rest assured its all in the bigger picture of keeping your tail safe and cozy at home. Compared to most in this world I live a decent life and I don't have to worry to much and I thank my Government for that despite all the wrong it does, You know!! I'm not trying to dis you but you have to open your eyes and look at the big picture. We are safe and they are not.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by Sky watcher]

reply to post by nwomi

If you try to enter the USA via plane under the radar post 911 you would have an F-16 up you ass ....before you could say Jack Rabbit. If you try to smuggle this way now of days (speedboat/plane/ etc) you are already 30 years behind the game.

The rules have changed and the tactics have as well.

Again, this thread is in reference to the heroin trade from Afghanistan…not the drug trade as a whole.

There are not a whole lot of heroin customers in the US...90 percent of the heroin in the world comes from Afghanistan....very little of the gross hits the streets of America. Most of the junk that hits our street is very stamped down. (Less pure) Most of the US heroin comes from Mexico or Columbia. Poppies are grown there as well.

Just ask yourself how many times of you heard or seen heroin use at a US party or some college in comparison to coke or pot. I bet that heroin use at US colleges is almost 90 percent less then coke. (Maybe more) Cocaine is almost cool….heroin is not. Coke is a drug that is easily found in the US cities. Heroin is not. If you are a heroin junkie you know where to go and who to deal with. I have known junkies to move across the country and even to Europe just to ensure that they have a clean supply of Heroin.

The heroin trade is a whole different ball game when compared to other drug trades…Meth, Pot, Crack, or Cocaine.

It is true that the Columbians are giving “samples” of heroin with their coke in some major US cities but that is because they are trying to open up a new “market”. But for the most part it is a different game.

The CIA or any US intelligence agency is simply not going to involve themselves with this dirty end of the drug trade. They may know what is going on and of course they may infiltrate it but they are not going to sell it. Heroin is just to dirty with very little pay off.


[edit on 16-2-2008 by whiteraven]

Originally posted by biggie smalls

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
I have to say this is mostly crap. I was there patrolling, doing missions in areas where there was cultivation of drug crops. The military does urinanalysis on soldiers suspected of harvesting and using the stuff.

I don't think the article said anything about current soldiers USING.

That doesn't mean the covert ops in those countries aren't involved in the drug trade.

You are not part of the CIA. You do not know what they are up to, but somehow CIA owned planes crash with tons of coc aine...and nothing happens.

In addition, the Afghan National Police are primarily responsible for drug smuggling. We had no jurisdiction to inspect them or their vehicles.

Actually, NATO has been doing a lot of smuggling. As for the mainstream US military, I have no doubt they are largely innocent.

I am not talking about large scale military operations.

This is all covert operations.

Basically:
1. We dont tolerate drug use, smuggling by soldiers or contractors especially on FOBs.
2.We can't stop the Afghan National Police from smuggling or using drugs.
3. We won't stop the warlords from growing cash crops due to the hearts and mind philosophy.
4. We won't stop the Afghan National Army from burning those same crops.
5. We won't stop them from shooting each either.

Agreed with all these points.

[edit on 2/16/2008 by biggie smalls]

Again I was there firsthand and the ANP were the primary morons who smuggled the crap and they were untouchable.

We worked with SEALs and SF over there, and as far as we could see, and we are pretty nosy, the only thing they were involved in was wasting Taliban.

The CIA is not even part of the Department of Defense, it is not part of the military, it is not part of the Pentagon. The CIA is not under NATO. The CIA does what the CIA does.

If they do anything thats them, so dont go blaming the DoD, NATO and the military.

even before 9-11 there was the 2 mile law if you veared off your flight course more then 2 miles u get radio calls and if no answer you got f-16 up your ass.

so even before 9-11 we had stuff protected.

I'm unsure about the comments that claim the Taliban 'got rid of' the heroin trade before the US invaded.

Is this some kind of endorsement for the Taliban?

The Taliban also made it illegal for females to attend school, work, or leave their homes without a male member of their family for escort. Not to mention the bhurka!

In the same vein (so to speak), you can't really deny the CIA is involved with illegal drug trade when it crashes planes loaded with coc aine. Can you?

Here's a thought: Don't do smack!! Don't do coke!! Don't buy drugs and you won't be contributing to the problem. Otherwise, you're as complicit as anyone else and have no right to complain.

Easy, huh? You don't want your kid doing drugs? Be involved with your kid's life...period. How is it that millions of American kids manage to make it to adulthood WITHOUT becoming drug addicts? What's the secret?

PARENTING!

I've read that the increase in heroin use is being attributed to the fact that oxycodone's availability is going down, but then there's the new availability of cheap heroin...so the addicts get what they can. In Ohio, they say the level of heroin use is near epidemic proportions.

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Even though the Taliban were wrong in many other aspects but its true that they tried to get rid of drugs.

With the US taking over you would expect the drug trade to be nearly Over but Afghanistan is on the top of the list for drug production/trafficking.

I am sure the drug problem effects US more than terrorism but i guess their 'Agendas' are more prioritized.

Sky watcher, no offense taken.

MikeBoyd,

I don't think the majority of US military is involved in drug smuggling.

You're right the CIA is not the military, but what would you consider them?

Intelligence agencies are connected with the military, although maybe not directly related.

Isn't the CIA part of the DoJ? Secret pact between CIA and DoJ


Check this propaganda out:

What does the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) do?
The Central Intelligence Agency's primary mission is to collect, evaluate, and disseminate foreign intelligence to assist the President and senior US Government policymakers in making decisions relating to the national security. The Central Intelligence Agency does not make policy; it is an independent source of foreign intelligence information for those who do. The Central Intelligence Agency may also engage in covert action at the President's direction in accordance with applicable law.

www.umsl.edu...

Yeah they follow applicable law...Right. They haven't followed the Constitution or international law since they were founded. My great uncle who just passed was an ex-CIA op. He did some questionable things for the country that I'm sure he's not very proud of. He was a part of USAID during ww2 and afterwards (a CIA front).

The 'what does the CIA do' link mentions they act in the best interest of national security.

I don't think drug smuggling is in the best interest of the nation, is it?

[edit on 2/17/2008 by biggie smalls]

The CIA has been doing this for years,man to any that want to know more about this here are some books about this subject:

1.The Underground Empire by James Mills


2. Dark Aliance by Gary Webb



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