The Large Hadron Collider - does it pose a threat?

Last night on my show, former UK government UFO investigator Nick Pope talked about the Large Hadron Collider, the biggest partical accelerator experiment of its kind taking place in Switzerland in May.

Whilst scientists believe that it may answer some of the most intriguing questions about the universe and matter/ant-matter etc, risk assessments have had to take place as some believe it will cause massive black-holes and could tear a hole in the time-space continuum. Some even go as far as to say it could kick off the end of the world process.

Now I'm certain that there are other threads on ATS about this, but as yu know I like to discuss things talked about on my show here, so I would welcome everyones thoughts, knowledge and theories on this.

en.wikipedia.org... (Wikipedia)

www.risk-evaluation-forum.org... (This is very interesting!)

lhc.web.cern.ch... (The home site)

Ross

Hey Nomadrush!

When I was doing a certain seminar involving a scientific aspect of spirituality (Holographic Kinetics - remember?), We discussed that the universe is a Hologram, and the properties of an Electron had all the information needed for the entire universe. When surrogating a persons' spirit into another being (long distant healing) the spirit would communicate out of the surrogates body. The knowledge was that one electron was accessed from the other person and overlayed that into the surrogate.

It eventually went into the discussion of the Collider. Opinions raised that at the very beginning - there was one type of reality - prior to our physical universe, the 'big bang' then made many parralel universes. The point of separation were based on certain particles and that existed at a point in time, and that the re-creation of this event, could mimic a 'merging' of realities at certain points - a form of blending the boundary limitations of our current state of physical reality. All was pure speculation though, but was an interesting perspective.

I hope things don't go pear shaped

Thx

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TV show about the Large Hadron Collider: video.google.co.uk... e=search&plindex=0

The bit about opening the doors to other dimensions sounds exciting, not scarey. I'm reading Philip Pullman's "Dark Materials" books at the moment so this is quite topical.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the supposed dangers of the LHC. People said the same thing when the RHIC collider opened in America and so far we're still here. The universe and matter are tougher than that. They’d have to be for the universe to have lasted as long as it has and grown to such complexity. The equilibrium of mass and energy must be very stable. The universe is subjected to high-energy cosmic rays, gamma-ray bursts, black holes, supernovae etc all the time. If those things can't destabilize it then I fail to see what, no offence to its builders, a glorified hula-hoop could do!

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String Theory, M-theory, Parallel Worlds Pt. 1

Radio interview about parallel worlds with the fascinating Michio Kaku and Lisa Randall, one of the scientists behind the LHC who is interviewed in the TV show I posted above. Who'd have thought a few years ago that scientists would be talking like this!




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I've read through this page now and I admit it does make for sobering reading.

Well, it's one more Armageddon scenario to add to the list! That long, long list! If climate change, comets, bird flu, Planet X and tsunamis don't get us then the LHC will. Sleep tight!

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Hagbard Celine - I fixed the Videos, perhaps try using the 'google video and 'youtube video' buttons in the posts page? Just add the ID number and it will embedd the video.

Here they are

BBC-Horizon-The Six Billion Dollar Experiment

YouTube Link

String Theory, M-theory, Parallel Worlds Pt. 1

Google Video Link

Thx

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I'm not going to lose any sleep over the supposed dangers of the LHC. People said the same thing when the RHIC collider opened in America and so far we're still here. The universe and matter are tougher than that.






I would like to say that anything is only as strong as its weakest link, in this case it needs to be studied more IMO..

We could have all these alternate universes and in a huge amount of them they will be doing the same experiment in the same place at exactly the same spot, i doubt this can be proven without firing it up and trying, but is it worth the risk without that extra study?

Of course all these scientist are going to say the risks are small and a small %, i had an Angiogram in 1994 were the chances of things going wrong where 5% pretty good odds huh? Now i can never work again have had open heart surgery twice in 11 yrs so i dont like doing odds because those odds mean nothing if it all goes pear shaped,

Probably nothing will go wrong, however if you notice in that report the word probably is used before every single senario they recount.

Pretty sad when you think this could possible cause the end of the earth not just the world, PROBABLY BE OK THOUGH HUH?.

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The trouble is, the collider takes us into unknown territory, and therefore the reason "probably" is used so frequently is that no-one really knows for sure how safe/unsafe the experiment really is.

On balance they obviously feel its a chance worth taking which means they do not EXPECT the worst-case scenario, but like the previous poster said about "odds" - we often see the rank outsiders win through against all the odds!

As for the smaller American version, another poster said that this has had no adverse affects, but how do we know for sure? Since it was switched on, we have had a massive increase in UFO sightings and other strange phenomena, so perhaps it in itself has ripped a hole between dimensions, who knows for sure?

I am trying to get a press ticket to the launch in Switzerland in May - so if it all kicks off, at least I will be one of the first to go lol!

Ross

I've changed my mind on this one, especially after reading that article by the concerned. Yes, the risks might be small, but the consequences of anything going wrong are so terrible that I wonder if it's worth it, just satisfy our curiosity. If these scientists want to see a Higgs Boson then why don't they just drop some acid? Then one will appear before them iluminated, surrounded by light and introduce itself!

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Thanks for doing that. Very interesting vids I think.



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The current increase in UFO activity is built upon the existing increase that began in the 1940's, which is when the concept of UFO's first entered the mass public consciousness. This coincided with the detonation of the world's first three nuclear weapons in 1945, at Trinity, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It could be that nuclear explosions rip holes in spacetime too. Our use of them might have got our card marked by the rest of creation; as fellow ATS host Jim Marrs puts it: "The kids just found the matches". There's no doubt that UFO activity is concentrated around nuclear weapons storage facilities and power stations. Contactees report aliens asking them to pass on warnings about the use of nuclear power and weapons.

There was a great sci-fi book (the name of the book and the author escape me and it would require too much searching to figure it out - sorry) about this very event and what would happen when they activated it. What ends up happening is the world flash forwards 30 years and everybody sees 45 seconds of their future life. Then the 45 seconds ends and they're back in the present. Some people only experienced black in that moment (guess where they were in 30 years). but the book was about people trying to figure out where they had been, what they were doing, who they were with, and if they were resigned to that fate. I don't know what the scientific basis behind this idea was, but it was pretty interesting.

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Oh boy, I'd sure like to know what that book was. Does it sound familiar to anyone? I'm going to try to Google it later. If I find something that seems to fit the description, I'll post a link(s).

Interesting. Brian Allen, a guy who'll be at the conference, said that one of these rips in spacetime has already been opened at Roslyn Chapel. He's had first-hand experience of the strange properties of this enigmatic building.

Nomad, that's probably the best place to be if it does happen lol! I'd hate to live long enough to see the rest of the planet be destroyed around me.

and the author is.... robert j sawyer. still don't remember the name of the book though. he has a ton.

and the author is.... robert j sawyer. still don't remember the name of the book though. he has a ton.

Flashforward

Here's part of the review posted at Amazon from Publisher's Weekly:

A science experiment that unwittingly shuts down all human consciousness for two minutes is the catalyst for a creative exploration of fate, free will and the nature of the universe in Sawyer's soul-searching new work (after Factoring Humanity).

In April 2009, Lloyd and Theo, two scientists at the European Organization for Particle Physics (CERN), run an experiment that accidentally transports the world's consciousness 20 years into the future. When humanity reawakens a moment later, chaos rules.

Vehicles whose drivers passed out plow into one another; people fall or maim themselves. But that's just the beginning. After the horror is sorted out, each character tries desperately to ensure or avoid his or her future . . .

Ordered it from my local library. Thanks, CaptnCrunch. BTW, you're also my favorite cereal.

Just finished reading an article about the LHC in the March National Geographic. They don't seem to think anything will go wrong.

But then they wouldn't would they?

Nat Geo Article and Scary pics!!

As always with Nat Geo the pics are stunning and in this instant a little scary, with all the wires and things and stuff... Sticking out all over the place, something is bound to go wrong!

All very interesting though.

MonKey

It does look a bit like a "James Bond villain's lair"! And in those films the villain is usually working on some insane scheme to destroy the world! Is life about to immitate art?

I disliked the movie "Stargate" very much, but the concept behind the story is an interesting one. Could the LHC be someone's attempt to build a stargate? If so then it will be interesting to travel to other dimensions, although I doubt if I'll be able to buy a ticket!

There's a worrying side though: When it comes to cutting holes in spacetime it may be useful because we can get out... but what can get IN? In "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Philip Pullman some scientists in another universe invent something called a "subtle knife" that can cut holes in spacetime and allow you to walk from one dimension to another, but in doing this they unwittingly let in these etheric beasts called Spectres which attack them and drain their energy killing them. Within 300 years all their cities are deserted and most people are dead. I hope life won't imitate art in this case!

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