Is anyone here curious about the turns in this flight path offered by CIT for the Pentagon overflight plane? I hope so, because I have some thoughts.
For those who don't know, bank and turn ARE NOT the same thing.
A turn is a turn, but bank, aka 'roll,' is the tilt of the wings relative to
the horizon. Level is zero, sideways is 90 degrees. A bank usually leads to a turn, but from what I gather, with rudder input, pilots can
'side-slip' this tendency entirely and bank without turning, or moderate the resultant turn. So when a witness says the plane is 'banking,' this
might mean wing tilt without noticeable actual turn. VERY important.
Direction: If the right wing goes up, the left wing goes down
, and the airplane is said to be in a bank to the left
, and will naturally
turn to the left.
In general, a level plane will go straight, and the steeper the roll, the tighter the resultant turn. How it's measured is
seen from behind - right wing low is a positive number, and right high is a negative number. The tilt is measured in degrees, with level wings being 0
and wings straight up-and-down (plane sideways) being 90 degrees. Airliners try to stay level - a bank of 40 degrees is considered extreme.
Some see the straigh path attributed to 77 prior to impact and decide there is no BANK in the official story. Wrong. HERE is the bank at impact point,
That's about -6 degrees. Close to level but a slight left bank. This fits the other evidence: light poles, generator, vest structure, etc... Got it?
Refer to graphic at the top, the CIT swerve: From south-north, the witnesses said to describe this path are:
1- Jamal el Kournayti - at the Driving Grange of the Army Navy country club - reports plane over him at that heading, no bank, no turn reported.
2 - Mrs Hubbard - 13th and Poe neighborhood - offered visual clues to flight path, but not shared in the video. No bank or turn mentioned.
3 - Veronica - 13th and Poe neighborhood - no bank or turn, indicating a straight line ENE.
4 - Cindy Reyes: would have had an excellent view of the sharp turn and steep bank over the Anex - reports neither, straight line at some combo of
north and east.
5- Edward Paik - at the Navy Annex, right under the sharp right turn. No turn mentioned, no bank explicitly stated.
6- Robert Turcios - straight path, no turn, no bank mentioned
7 - Chad Brooks - describes a 'straight line" but later draws one with a slight right turn. No mention of bank.
8- William Lagasse: north of Citgo, straightish. Mentions picth/dive and a final yaw movement, but no bank mentioned that I remember anyway.
No turn, no bank, means a straight line with roughly level wings, for the stretch seen by that witness. The swerve CIT made requires two turns that
seem sharp to me compared to other maneuvers recorded for that plane: one left just past the driving range (unseen so far) and one right, left wing
high, over the Navy Annex (reported, apparently, by Sean Boger at the heliport tower, and no one else yet).
But their witnesses 'report' a bank - meaning necessitate one, if we connect all the disparate dots into one path. Mike Walter reports a
'graceful' bank on the approach:
"I will never forget that day, trapped in traffic and then I rolled down the window and heard the sound of the jet overhead. [...] I looked up and
saw the underbelly of the jet as it gracefully banked, then I watched in shock as the jet basically lined up the Pentagon in its sights and
began to scream towards the mammoth structure." [emph mine]
'Underbelly' means it was above him - obviously - and also tilted at least somewhat right wing high. This is a left bank, not a right one, in which
case its belly would be turned away. This matched the bank type recorded in the building's face.
-Anderson: "I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into
the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball."
- Elgas [same basic position as Walter, facing north on 27]: "It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the
underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground."
- Hagos: "Afework Hagos: It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance."
- Hemphill: "He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route
110  he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right [wing low] adjustment."
- Marra: "The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." [perhaps a L-R mix-up]
- Morrin [at Navy Annex, plane dipping too low to see]: "I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the
right indicating a minor turn in that direction."
- Owens: "the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon."
- Thompson “The plane looked as if it were coming in for a landing — cruising at a shallow angle, wings level, very steady.”[shows the bank was
relatively slight - ie graceful]
Can anyone here tell me who this guy is, where he'd be in the picture above, and why he's gesturing right hand high while showing what the plane
Any questions? Anything I'm missing? Input from pilots is especially welcome.
[edit on 15-2-2008 by Caustic Logic]
[edit on 15-2-2008 by Caustic Logic]