'We have had the ability to Clone since 1962'

reply to post by CavemanDD

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I see what you see. Seems to me that most of the world's problems are inter-connected, but few people actually realize it. They want us to choose sides, it's easier to control us when we're divided. united we stand, divided we fall. and so we continue to tumble. It's not even the differences that divide us, it/s the bias for ourselves/ against others that really separate us. When you hate other people for being different you are separating them from yourself, you view what makes them different as something that makes them a lesser being. Viewing them as worth something less than you gives more value to yourself.

School is so flawed. I think kids need to be able to choose what they want to learn rather than be forced to learn things they don't want to learn. They need to be able to learn at their own pace, not at a pace dictated by the school. School seems to be too much about test scores and less about learning. And then there's that clever little invention called homework, designed to interfere with the child's free time. Homework is just school work that the school is too incompetent to incorporate into the school day. The school has 7 hours to "teach" kids, and most of that time is wasted. Homework should be optional, not mandatory. A student should want to show he has a willingness to put time in at home into a subject, rather than be forced to do so. A lot of kids just copy homework from other kids. When they're on the school bus, when they're at lunch, during a different class, or at recess(elementary school). If they aren't copying from other kids they're probably just copying directly from the text book. There's no learning going on there. I could go on and on. Basically the school system is a speed learning system, where learning is optional and grades are mandatory. Kids focus on getting grades instead of learning, and grades are just as easy to get by those who aren't learning than by those who are learning.

When tough issues that face society are brought up, usually there's somebody who says to the person who brought up the issues "well, what's the solution?". Solution? Gee I don't know, but you admit that there is in fact a problem by asking me what the solution is. Instead of expecting me to be omniscient, how about we work together to see if we can find a solution? But that doesn't happen. These people don't want to work towards a solution, they want a solution to be given to them. That goes back to that whole choosing sides thing. Choosing sides is something people are comfortable with, as it keeps them from having to think for themselves. And the worst is politics, because that directly effects nearly every other issue we face. I saw this quote from Groucho Marx in a sig and think it's appropriate to quote here.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”


I think people need to look inside themselves in order to see the problems society faces. Because all of the problems are man made. and those men are just like you. Know what drives you, and you'll know what drives them.

reply to post by ThePiemaker

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As far as actual LEARNING vs grades, homework and copying.. I think you summed it up quite nicely.

When I graduated high school, I think my overall average for the 4 years was like 65%... 65! As a child I was an 'A' student, and they even put in me in this class for an hour every day with a bunch of other kids, to do all these random tests. (Not the "special" kids). I noticed a decline in my grades since about grade 6, thats when I really started to feel broken down and I wasn't gunna stand for it.

Its interesting, by my grades you'd think I was a bad student, but I showed up for class EVERY DAY.. I enjoyed learning what was tought most of the time. I had to take summer school twice because I didn't wanna repeat those classes, that would have been HELL. And by the last year I had 2 spare periods to go home and do whatever. I did whatever I could to get out of there as soon as I could.

If that wasn't enough I had to deal with the harsh group mentality of the other kids who didn't understand me and just hated the way I looked.

School is deffinately a horrible way to learn. It could be done a lot better.

If I had a kid though I would send em to school. 1. Its currently a necessary system, necessary for MOST but not all of course. and 2. I'd want my kid to see the world for what it really is, and constantly explain to them what they're dealing with every day. I wouldn't even make my kid do homework, I'd grab the book out of their hands and tell them to go play and learn whatever the hell they want. I'd let them watch tv, but I'd constantly tell them that they're being brainwashed.

I think i'd be a great father, or a horrible one, haha. But I mean, we deal with enough suppression, lets also try to minimize it in the home, you know?

This system really is a prison, and it feels like once a year they take us to a facility, load us full of drugs and scrape a little piece of our brain off. Oh yeah and then pound us with some frequency control waves.

Having discussions like this I feel to be very helpful in curing us of these problems.

As a scientist I do cloning "on a daily basis".

Of course we do it with bacteria but the method is rather similar to mammals (no that similar but you know what I mean).

Now, I don't believe someone ever tried to clone a human [yes I do]. Actually, I think people without scrupulous may consider a clone as a health insurance... free body parts replacements [like the movie - "The Island"].

However one mustn't forget one tinny detail...

If someone clones me I'll not be able to look at my clone thinking I'm looking at my mirror reflection. As a human, my clone would have to develop normally. I would be much older than my clone.

Unless they have a "fast forward switch".

Cloning YES - Cloning to replace people without suspicion, I don't think so.

reply to post by CavemanDD

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The modern learning methods are not modern at all.

Just like you I never care about studying. I was always a 70% student without having to study. I was always enjoying life and playing sports. However when I had to do my exams to get into the university I had to study hard, I became a 100% student (it's not a joke).

What I mean is, the exams methods are useless. It's more a method to distinguish those who endure and do not quit, even when professors say you don't have what it takes... sorry, you were all wrong

reply to post by novrod

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even if they had cloned someone when that person was still a child, It''s hard for me to imagine that the clones could just be sitting in some secret facility somewhere waiting to be deployed. unless they could keep the clones in a coma-like state and influence the dreams of the clone to emulate the real life of the person they are cloned from. Then they could simply dispose of the real person whenever they wanted to, and put the clone in his place, without the clone even knowing he's a clone.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least, what better way to have no remorse for actions caused by a 'counterfeit race' of beings doing their programmed duties in a three dimensional format. And never being created by the light would make some to be potential canidates to pickup a body as soon as possible, they would keep replicating themselves to keep themselves into existance through cloning, an artificial means. And just maybe that race will only remember bits and pieces through cellular memory.

And perhaps the more you clone that same individual the less memory is actually has of itself as a whole. I believe on the moon they do replacement jobs like this.

Thats why its such a hands off from society type of area.

The more you replicate/clone something the less authenticity or realism, memory that copy would have of the whole of institution.

Well, I know everybody has heard this before, for every person there is an exact look alike, what if those that are cloned, are not exactly the same color as you, that after a certain state of replication that the image loses its input in every category. Each time you do it something is just off more so then the Original copy. Pretty much after awhile you have a berzerker machine on your hands.

What if their are clones that are short circuiting in society because they are trying to remember their original copy. They no longer have the Blue prints on who or what they truly are.

I know it goes beyond any God Like role, but has been going on since 1962 on the moon replacing the real population little by little. And the more information that comes out the more it is going to trigger something in our world.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by menguard]

What if the General Population of our world is a cloned army waiting to be used by the original copy of itself, to fight for it in other places in our known and Unknown Universes.

Would this piss you off?

It would also explain why the moon can go into the Center of our Universe, crossing through all frequency bands, intercropping planets with artificial intelligence. Maybe we are not the real intelligence out there, but perhaps derived from an original source.

Menguard i hate to have to be the one to say this but it seems nobody else will. you've developed a bad habit of filling an entire page with your own posts. could you please try to use the edit function as it makes it much harder to read what your saying when its scattered over several posts

And I am also told Germany had the ability to clone in 1942.

There was a lot of supernatural secrets found in the hidden parts of Germany.





[edit on 24-3-2008 by menguard]

It is not possible that most of us are clones. Cloned entities don't live very long, that is one drawback of cloning.

reply to post by forestlady

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There it is in a nutshell why don't we live that long?

What if real humans from other parts of our galaxies are living up to thousands of years old.

Being that humans are just a cloned species of many formats to existance would this place us in a real or fake column?

Here is something interesting that I will throw in. A while back, I heard someone talking about how anytime someone high-up ("elite") is killed/died, it's not them, but a clone. They also talked about high-level people being clones, and how you can differentiate a real person from a clone.

At the time, I put it in the back of my mind and filed it under "interesting, but totally implausible". Now, it just moved to "interesting, but unverified".

I can add to this that there is a way to substantially increase the human lifespan, it was in the news years ago. My mom has a way of keeping her eye on those small articles, and finds stuff like this and you never hear about it again. It was something to do with proteins or something, basically about how this "string" in our cells or something gets smaller as we age, and that they can keep that from getting smaller, and we'd all live to be well over 100 years old. I remember reading that this could be administered with a shot in the teenage years. Was a rage for a few days, never heard about it since. If anyone remembers this, it would be great to read again.

Alright I have decided to take my clone army to the Moon or Mars, who is coming with me, shall we go peak on them, see what they are up to yes you say, lets shall we.