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Purported Al Qaeda Video Shows Prisoners Burned Alive


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reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 10:57 PM by jsobecky



Originally posted by Dock6
Then people calm down and remember how many Israelis have been unmasked posing as the 'enemy' and committing atrocities which corn-fed 'consumers' of the propaganda buy wholesale and cite as justification for US atrocities.


So, just to be clear...are you suggesting this is an U.S. propaganda video using Israeli actors?

Sponsored, or should I say "Brought to you by.." the US gov't?

Iow, the United States is the ultimate creator of this video?



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 02:20 AM by JDN24


These "Prisioners" were alive... If you watch the Prisioner on the left hand side at the 0.22 Second mark, you can clearly see his leg move. Also, when they are inside the pit, you can see them move around..

As the for the google link, it seems that google has deleted it? Its not working....



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 04:14 AM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR


Well.....................War is not pretty. "Terror" is what war is all about. We being the USA have torched plenty of bad guys with bombs dropped by the USAF and NAVY. Our movie clips "propaganda" just make it look like a video game....They are using gasoline and a match, with a 300 dollar camera. Who cares, it happens. If a bunch of hajis want to torch another bunch of hajis....good. Makes the bad guys look more like animals, and we clean up the gene pool a little more. If we are lucky they will have a massive civil war within Islam and kill each other off.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 04:25 AM by _Phoenix_



Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
If we are lucky they will have a massive civil war within Islam and kill each other off.

Yeah so war is a good thing??!!!

What are you talking about?

[edit on 16-2-2008 by _Phoenix_]



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 04:40 AM by jsobecky


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Agreed - they were definitely alive.

Looks like google deleted their video. An abbreviated copy is still available at the Turkish news site:

videogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr...



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 04:54 AM by Conspiriology



Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Urr, didnt anyone notice something rather odd?

If I was burned alive.... id be screaming and kicking....

Those men, didnt flinch
When petrol was poured on them, none of them even moved.
Now, if i was blindfolded, and had a liquid all of a sudden start being poured on me, id make some sort of movement.
Look at the way they are positioned.. they are leaning against each other or in positions so they wont fall over.
When they are tossed into the pit, they are like rag dolls.


In my opinion, those men were already dead.


yeah that is an old trick to shock people but I totally agree ,, those guys were already quite dead. His leg didn't move it fell over. When they poured the gasoline on them they would have had a reflex but on each one you see no such reflex action. You get set on fire you are going to move, scream etc.



- Con

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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 05:09 AM by Now_Then


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I find it hard to believe someone could die that way silently also - they must of already of been dead... or heavily drugged - but that would make no sense. Must of been dead, they prob even consented to such a thing before they went into a gun battle, not hard to put a dressing on a fatal gun shot and a clean a clean shirt over it.


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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 05:15 AM by Now_Then


No! Watching it again here youtube the one on the left does indeed move his right leg just prior to been pushed in. So one at least is alive.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 05:52 AM by _Phoenix_


I was scared to watch the video, but it wasn't that scary, probably because there was no struggle no screaming etc?

Maybe their mouths were taped up?

The only movement I saw was that leg move once. Almost as if he was getting read to go into the pit (probably my imagination)

Anyway weird video.

Who were these prisoners?? and what were their so called crimes?
Why is the video so short, not much to go on.

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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 05:59 AM by JDN24


I would have to agree on the video not being that bad.. It is terrible, but i have seen 10x worse. I have seen those beheading videos, and that is something sick...



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 06:01 AM by _Phoenix_



Originally posted by JDN24
I would have to agree on the video not being that bad.. It is terrible, but i have seen 10x worse. I have seen those beheading videos, and that is something sick...



Yeah I advice no-one to watch those ones!!!!

I haven't but I've heard the details, thats enough for me.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 06:03 AM by a-stupid-dvd-case


wasnt that graphic. must because of the video being low resolution. i say movies like SPR is more graphic then this. but still not a good thing to be burnt alive. the middle east shall foreva be in chaos under islamic law. the Qu ran is in their blood and bones and there is no way to get rid of it apart from killing everyone. I dont know why these people even make these videos. but this isnt considered the most graphic compared to the video of two american soldiers in 2006 or 5 ? which got beheaded from the 101st airborne. that was in retaliation for the raping of a girl in Fallujah. i think. by a soldier from same unit.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 06:12 AM by _Phoenix_



Originally posted by a-stupid-dvd-case
wasnt that graphic. must because of the video being low resolution. i say movies like SPR is more graphic then this. but still not a good thing to be burnt alive. the middle east shall foreva be in chaos under islamic law. the Qu ran is in their blood and bones and there is no way to get rid of it apart from killing everyone. I dont know why these people even make these videos. but this isnt considered the most graphic compared to the video of two american soldiers in 2006 or 5 ? which got beheaded from the 101st airborne. that was in retaliation for the raping of a girl in Fallujah. i think. by a soldier from same unit.

The quran has nothing to do with it, they are simply crazy.

There is nothing in the quran that tell them to do this.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 06:19 AM by Frontkjemper


I don't know about ya'll, but I clearly see movement.

The vid wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but still a terrible thing.

No, the Kuran has nothing to do with this, but mentality. Crazy mentality.

Peace,
FK



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 07:19 AM by jsobecky


There are 2 versions of the video being passed around. One is only a few seconds long, and only shows the immolation. The other is over 15 minutes long and shows 2 beheadings (one by a young boy), one execution shooting of several men in a parking lot, the fire, and assorted other atrocities. That's the one that google had up, but then removed.

There are still copies floating around. I don't believe the responses that it "wasn't too bad", unless you think watching a 12 year old boy beheading a man isn't bad.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 07:27 AM by JDN24



Originally posted by jsobecky
There are 2 versions of the video being passed around. One is only a few seconds long, and only shows the immolation. The other is over 15 minutes long and shows 2 beheadings (one by a young boy), one execution shooting of several men in a parking lot, the fire, and assorted other atrocities.


A young boy beheading someone? WTF is wrong with these people? Thats just pathetic. Why, why, why? Why would you get a young boy to cut somebodys head off? Unless he was brainwashed into doing it..., but personally i think he did it on his own accord.

Religion is just pathetic, there is no other word for it.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 08:05 AM by loki421


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Yeah I totally agree, religon is pathetic, maybe a few hundred years ago when man had no other form of hope or control than 'the almighty' but in this day in age it has no place. Religon is what holds us back, there will be no peace while people still belive in these thousands of years old writings.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 08:06 AM by runetang



Originally posted by kattraxx
edit to add: After having watched it again, I believe you are right. They are already dead.



You guys are just now getting this technique? Hehe.. Al-Qaeda has been fooling the Western Media and World with their homemade stupid fake videos for eons. When Iraq war broke out, 2003? And the first american kidnapped got beheaded, his name was Nick Berg.

In the video, which some ppl thought was completely fake and really had masked westerners acting like al-qaeda (i think it was really al-qaeda). The reason is because Nick Berg sits there on the ground at the feet of the guys behind him, hands ties behind back, blindfolded. You barely notice a twitch out of the guy, but he's alive while the speech is given behind him.

Then, theres a "blip" in the tape at the precise moment he is thrown onto his side to be beheaded via a small serrated ceremonial knife used to sacrifice goats on Eid-al-Adha, the beheading weapon of choice of al-qaeda (they always have so much trouble separating the spine or brain stem from the head, once they get to the back, they just saw away on it, why not just .. use a sharp sword, one swipe deal? you know, like mohammad used on people? lolz). During the blip or static interference in the video clip, there is a really .. for lack of a better term, "cheesy" sounding scream which sounded very much like someone overlayed it with that part of the video, to simulate Nick Berg screaming, because at the time of the actual head being severed, they don't want you to know their secret to making excellent smooth flowing execution propaganda videos, which is that they've already killed the detainee with a lethal internal injury such as a choke out or neck break, or suffocation. Poisoning is a possibility as well. Point is, usually the detainees are dead when they get their head cut.

Then, more splinter al-qaeda groups started perpetuating this trend of kidnap and behead, until their were groups that were indeed executing their prisoners alive, such as the Kenneth Bigley and his 2 fellow co-workers that were all kidnapped and beheaded, on video. 2 Americans and a Brit, Brit tried to escape, made it to another village, was captured and executed? Yea.

Anyways, on alot of the "Zarqawi" early war era films, the detainee is already dead! Nick Berg was dead when they removed the head, remember how EVERYONE was like "this lack of blood spray when severing these arteries makes no sense, when you cut those the blood is pressurized and comes out quite announced", Nick Berg just slumps over with a small puddle forming on the floor around his neck as they saw away, with their sacrifical butter knife, quite intently, for a half of a minute or so.

So yes, these men in this video on this thread were likely dead already, or almost dead, or most were dead and one may have had an ounce of energy left, making a twitch for the cam. Alternatively, nudging the dead bodies with a foot from the back side when they are supporting each others' dead weight will make it look like one or more of the men has twitched or made a movement. Just little techniques .. little tricks.

I don't care WHO you are, if thrown into a pit of fire with gasoline or equivalent on your body, to be burned alive, from start to finish, you will INVOLUNTARILY scream from the pain before you go into shock and die quite quickly. They didnt make a peep. Nice observation guys. Kudos to you for denying stupid towel-wearing ignorance. I hope i didnt offend any terrorists to get warned by the mod staff, lol.

I scream just getting burnt on my hand or whatever, I'll go "owwww!" real loud or make some loud noise .. theres just no way.

And I have been through alot of medical .. well, being put unconcious in a hospital for surgery or something. And when they inject the right stuff, you WILL not wake up, despite that they are cutting through your skin, even removing organs, doing internal work on you, til it wears off. It takes an intra veinous injection though, not just some pills.

So this vary well may be the case, they could've shot these boys up with something hard core to knock them unconcious for a set amount of time, or to kill them via medicine. Either way, they wont be screaming in the fiery pit, theyll just burn up and never even know it.



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 09:54 AM by noangels


Their mouths where taped up,looked alive to me-poor sods
one of them was moving around trying to get out near the end of the clip.

disgusting,these clips do them no favours-just shows them as barbaric idiots who seem to relish making these rather nasty vid clips.

I believe they drug them before killing them,but no amount of drugs will dim the pain of scorched flesh.

Shame on them



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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 10:30 AM by Burginthorn


Already dead?

I dont think so. As the above post mentions, you can see one of the victims half stand up in the pit.
I have seen a few vids where people are burnt alive. One in particular is a rapist in South America who is tied to a tree, doused in gasoline and set alight.
He does not scream in agony as many here believe one would. His head slumps downward (he is NOT gagged either) and the flames engulf him. As the vid goes on and the flames die down, you think he is finished - only to see him slowly raise his head again, all blackened and hairless. Again, he is VERY much alive and he is not screaming out in agonizing pain.

I am no specialist, so I do not know the reasons for why someone being burnt alive does not scream out in pain, but I have seen enough videos of this, with the same resulting silence (besides some moaning and groaning) from the victim to know, just because someone is not yelling and screaming, does not mean they are dead already.

At a guess, I would imagine their vocal chords are burnt? The heat of the flames and fire cause the throat to clamp shut? I honestly dont know. But I do know people being burnt alive, do not scream and yell.



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