Originally posted by defcon365

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. .

¨perish¨ doesnt mean eternal torment lol

i have to say, i am REALLY glad that there are others who dont believe in hellfire also... with all the threads about how evil god is was getting me worried

Very impressive post. I rarely see a christian practicing his God-given ability to question things and find answers.

Great stuff.

Here's a quote that could add to the study a bit, just to provoke some thought.

Isaiah 66:22-24
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

I'm sure there are many in prison who would love to come back and argue the existence of the place. Just like Abraham told that rich man. If somebody doesn't have an ear to hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will a man coming back from the dead persuade them.

...and a debate won't either, so I've been taught.

Evidently Hell is in Norway.

According to this site Hell is a small and peaceful community and a local railway station across the river from Trondheim Airport, Værnes.

Here are some pictures from hell:









[edit on 25-4-2008 by Sparky63]

Originally posted by Sparky63
Evidently Hell is in Norway.

Indeed, and the word Hell is from Norse Hel. A goddess of the afterlife who governed Helheim, a fiery place where the cowards and unhealable were sent uppon death.

BW, I don't know.
I'm pretty sure that there is a place of punishment to one who does not except Yeshua, He did say that it's so bad that you pluck out your eye or cut off your hand because it makes you sin and that sin will cause you to go there. I don't think taking the trash out was that bad lol.
Here's what I know, there was once a place called sheol, this is what I believe is the space where Abraham's Bossom and the lake of fire exist. Yeshua gave a parable about a rich dude and a poor dude, the poor dude went to Abraham's Bossom, the rich dude went to the lake of fire, and or Hades and there was a great gulf or gap between them that nobody could pass. Well if you look in The Book of Enoch, there is this same place (I don't think it's in the part where Enoch travels to the center of the earth though), a place where some angels are bound up for 70 generations (which is about 7,000 years "70x100=7,000") and some souls are being tortured in a lake of fire. Also hell is a place of wailing and nashing of teeth, so I think it would be a torturous place. Gehenna is a trash valley, this much is true, sheol is not hell, sorta, but when Yeshua went there, He ministered to the folks there and they all loaded up and went on to Heaven (my ghetto translation ).
So I believe the place exists and that if you don't except what He did for ya then you'll go there, but I think you did bring up a valid point about mistranslation and the Catholic Church.

-Jimmy

Hell is an actual place. So the fact that you tell people to go to hell means you are telling them to go to this place. Not the fictional place that is made up.

I agree with what defcon said. The gospels and Jesus talk about hell. All over the bible it talk about hell. The bible says the gates to hell are wide and open. To say that there is no hell is to say that Jesus is a lier. And I believe in every word that Jesus teaches us.

Is it possible that the creator modeled the Jerusalem which is below based on a pattern of the one which is above?

Is it possible that if the lesser Jerusalem has a smoldering garbage dump, so does the greater?

Is it possible that Abraham was in the greater city and he was speaking to the rich man who was desiring a drop of water to be placed on his tongue while being in the garbage dump?


Why is it when you give a man a representation of something that he runs away with the mirror rather than what it reflects?