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Originally posted by Thurisaz
I believe I experienced hell for maybe 5 minutes.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I believe it was a conspiracy of the early catholic church to scare the masses into submission to their political rule.
Most modern English versions of the New Testament are based on critical reconstructions of the Greek text, such as the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament
Originally posted by defcon365
If your Christian, think about Romans 10:9 and John 3:16
What is it you are "Saved" from
Another flawed angle of yours is the fact that eternal damnation is also called the lake of fire and brimstone, not by your Himon Valley theory e.g.
Matthew 25:41"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Here is another one:
Matthew 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
oh and other one:
Revelations 14:10-11 "he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Hmmm, yet another and it's from the OT:
Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
You want one from Paul the Apostle Paul too right???
2 Thessalonians 1:9 "These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power"
There are lot more these - why not try reading it first or at least using google and wikipedia!!!
Sounds to me like your making up your own little comfy-cozy version of the Word based upon YOUR BELIEF of a catholic conspiracy...
Originally posted by defcon365
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I believe it was a conspiracy of the early catholic church to scare the masses into submission to their political rule.
If your Christian, think about Romans 10:9 and John 3:16
What is it you are "Saved" from
Another flawed angle of yours is the fact that eternal damnation is also called the lake of fire and brimstone, not by your Hinon Valley theory e.g.
Matthew 25:41"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Here is another one:
Matthew 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
oh and other one:
Revelations 14:10-11 "he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Hmmm, yet another and it's from the OT:
Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
You want one from Paul the Apostle Paul too right???
2 Thessalonians 1:9 "These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power"
Originally posted by Thurisaz
I believe I experienced hell for maybe 5 minutes.
I did not see a pic like this. In fact I did not see anything at all.
I felt the most awful trapped torment inside my soul that I would never want to go back.
It is just torture, not from anyone doing anything, just a sensation that stays with you for as long as it does. It spirals up and down inside you. There is no escape just torment. The sensation becomes physically painful. A constant spiral trapped feeling... and it is so intense, there is nothing to make it go away.
Thank GOD I did not feel it for too long!
I don't think a pic can adequately portray the feeling of hell. That is all I can say, that pic, although dimmed and rather ASTRAL does not equate at all to the feeling of which I got to experience.
cheers
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
what would be the use of eternal punishment? Yes there is sin and evil in the world but God created man for happiness. He just wants you to choose him over the world.
Quotes from Christian Perpetuators of the Mythology of Hell:
The following quotes are from Christian leaders who used the pagan concept of Hell
to keep the poor masses in subjection to power-hungry and often very evil political
and religious men and women. The Church has often been a more effective means
of enslaving the masses than military might. There are hundreds of thousands of other
Church leaders throughout the centuries who could be quoted expressing similar thoughts
to the ones below Compare these words to Jesus' words to the poor of this world and it
should become very obvious from which spirit these men were speaking. Satan has
controlled the Church for a long time. It's time for a great change.
Tertullian
"At that greatest of all spectacles, that last and eternal judgment how shall I admire, how
laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many proud monarchs groaning in the
lowest abyss of darkness…"
Jonathan Edwards
"Reprobate infants are vipers of vengeance, which Jehovah will hold over hell, in the
tongs of his wrath, till they turn and spit venom in his face!"
"The view of the misery of the damned will double the ardour of the love and
gratitude of the saints of heaven."
Thomas Aquinas
"That the saints may enjoy their beatitude more thoroughly, and give more
abundant thanks for it to God, a perfect sight of the punishment of the
damned is granted them."