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reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 12:24 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by mmmeat


So your proud of eminant domain? Your proud that people can listen in to your conversations and raid your house without judges warrant? You like the idea of cameras and vehicles and internet and even you being tracking 24/7. You like the idea that during a time of crisis like Katrina you as a homeowner cannot have a gun to protect yourself from looters, you like the fact that in an "emergency" the government can raid all your gold and assets. You like the idea the government spends trillions of dollars it doesnt have and all your tax dollars goes instead of paying off debt it has only enough to pay the interest payments on the borrowed money. U need you need to wake up and smell the coffee...now Im sure your just some 15 year old and does not have a clue due to your demenor but even young ones need to know whats going on.


reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 12:28 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by mmmeat


Wow, don't give yourself too much credit here. I simply posted on the forum what Sylvrshadow posted as a link.

Sorry if you missed that, but you might want to go back and actually read the posts.

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reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 07:24 PM by doctor01
www.worldreports.org... somebody with accounting knowledge please read and coment . I am not a smart man ,I have never been around as many intelligent people as here that is why I lurk in the back ground . But this does worry me SORRY BUT ITS A LONG READ

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reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 07:38 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by doctor01


Thanks for the post, but I don't think that is considered to be a credible source.

If I'm wrong, I would love to hear it, but I'm afraid this is probably not correct information.


reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 08:35 PM by mmmeat
Originally posted by mybigunit
So your proud of eminant domain? Your proud that people can listen in to your conversations and raid your house without judges warrant? You like the idea of cameras and vehicles and internet and even you being tracking 24/7. You like the idea that during a time of crisis like Katrina you as a homeowner cannot have a gun to protect yourself from looters, you like the fact that in an "emergency" the government can raid all your gold and assets. You like the idea the government spends trillions of dollars it doesnt have and all your tax dollars goes instead of paying off debt it has only enough to pay the interest payments on the borrowed money. U need you need to wake up and smell the coffee...now Im sure your just some 15 year old and does not have a clue due to your demenor but even young ones need to know whats going on.

Did I say that?

No?

So you're just trying to put words in my mouth and bolster your inept position through subterfuge and misrepresentation. Good. That allows me the opportunity to ask you where you got all of that incorrect information.

Back up what you said.

Where have I mentioned anything about eminent domain?
What, specifically, constitutes what you're saying is a warrantless search?
What, specifically, is the law regarding your imaginary "cameras," "vehicles" and "internet" tracking?
What, specifically, are you implying regarding guns and Katrina?
What, specifically, is the law regarding seizure of assets during an "emergency?"

What you're doing is spewing a whole lot of nonsense. Maybe you're thinking that no one is going to call you on it, but I am. And I'll even tell you why: Because you don't know what you're talking about.

In all my years during my trip around the sun on this beautiful little planet, living in the greatest country the world has ever known, I've seen many things, experienced many things, and worked for many different ... entities. I know how the government works, I know how to read and write law, and I know, very well, that what you're saying is radically incorrect. So incorrect, in fact, that I'm tempted to point and laugh.

Your pal,
Meat.


reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 08:42 PM by marg6043
reply to post by doctor01


My friend you are doing just fine we all started like you and as you spend more time here you will be just as knowledgeable as the best.

Now while the news is very interesting and worth looking into, sometimes the links from where the stories comes may render them unreliable, but still they are worth to read and this is the best conspiracy site to do just that.


reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 09:26 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by mmmeat



I don't need to give myself credit at all, I shine as a beacon of intellect through the clouds of ignorance generated by others through their own actions.


Of course. I can see you didn't give yourself any credit in the above quote either.

And yes, I've already said it was cut and paste, so I guess thank you for reiterating it for me, although I can't see how that is helping you out...

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reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 09:43 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by mmmeat


No you said this
"We haven't gone downhill at all, by any stretch. Our country continues to evolve - exactly as our founding fathers intended it - and we will continue to be the best country in the world to live in. Regardless of what you and other naysayers continue to spew. America is a most excellent country, and I'm proud to be an American."

Im not putting words in your mouth you say things have not gone downhill that it is evolving like the founding fathers intended and I just happen to disagree and not only will I disagree Ill show you how we are heading down the wrong path.

Eminent Domain: So according to what your telling me the founding fathers would not mind that the government that some rich guy with a lot of money can take your land from you if it helps out the local economy. Yea there you go.

Warrantless Search: I said without a judge issuing a warrant if you read above. And yes if you have read the patriot act which Im sure you havent because all but a couple people in congress never even read it and still passed it you would see that the FBI can issue their own warrants and not have to go to a judge. I dont know but if I recall my history we went to war with England in a little war called the revolutionary war over issues like this because English troops could do the same and people got fed up with it.

Internet and cameras: Havent you noticed a lot of cameras going up lately? Have you wondered why? Im sure in your trips around the sun you have heard of the NSA. Who tracks phone calls and also looks over these camera images, financial info, and tracks a whole host of other stuff now without a judge issued warrant. Yeah really sticks to the 4th amendment there.

Guns during Katrina: The city of New Orleans went around and collected all the guns from homeowners in their houses who had them to protect them against looters. Yeah right to bear arms huh...

The asset/gold seizures dont have initiative to explain but you can read about it here www.gata.org...

My point is slowly but surely freedoms are being taken away and we as people are willing to trade "safety" for our freedom. Im not a smart man but I believe it was some of our founding fathers who said

"Give me freedom or give me death" or "he who trades freedom for safety deserve neither"

And before you tell someone they dont know what they are talking about u need to brush up on your history and current events a little. And Im proud to be an American to Im so proud I want it to stay as our founders had intended.



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reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 10:46 PM by dismanrc
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by mybigunit


The bankrupting and selling of our nation started with the Reagan administration, remember that the Republicans is a party that is control by a few wealthy families and they have not regards when it comes to the American people their sole existence is to profit from this nation while bringing the citizens to its knees.

And to make things worst the second elite party the Democrats are just starting to cash out on the give away and they are just as much into it as the Republican elite.




Fact of the matter is that the Democratic Party has much more family money then the Republicans do.

There are far more Democratic families in the top 50 then there is Republican.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 01:05 AM by Apsaroke
reply to post by mmmeat


To reduce the Gore v Bush election to nothing more than a populous vote versus electoral vote issue is a bit short-sighted.

I'm glad you're so gung ho, but I'll have to go with another poster in this thread and guage your age as one who is very young and probably still living at home. The average working American certainly feels the decline along with average American towns who are struggling to survive as their top employers engage in mass lay-offs and move their operations to another country. If I've assess your age incorrectly, the other alternative would be that you're independantly wealthy.

You and I will have to agree to disagree that this country has moved in the direction intended by the founding fathers. Primarily on "NO foreign entaglements". The founding fathers were more isolationists and not globalists. They had the wisdom and foresight to know that the more you entangle yourself with another government, the less sovereign your own government becomes and we're now actively seeing the danger that foreign entaglements bring to the citizens of this country come to fruition. Not only in personal freedoms, but also in economic impacts.

I hope that you are indeed as situated as your confidence seems to indicate that you think you are in a day and time that is showing a lot of people that the security they thought they had was nothing but an illusion.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 01:09 AM by projectvxn
reply to post by dismanrc


Does it really have to be about democrats and republicans? Who cares? They are both rich, upper crust people, so high atop their towers of money that they can't see what happens to you as they build their empires. Nor do they care. Out of sight out of mind. And the only time they give you any thought at all is when they want to shut you up or buy you up where it may suit them to do so.

They don't care about you. None of them do. It isn't about you to them. This is all theatre and you fall so easily into it. The game is played at the top and we are the pawns. It is easy to move us in the directions the want. They control every facet of world economics and can make or break you as they deem it necessary. Their last thought, if it is even that high on the list, is of you and your family and how they might be affected their actions...But it usually means how much "Collateral Damage" they are going to have to down play. And guess what, you're those economic figures, you are those statistics, you are the collateral damage. Don't assume conspiracy isn't possible, because conspiracy is the language of corruption, and corruption is the language of greed, and greed is the flower of money, and money knows no moral center, and neither do the men that it holds under it's influence. And sometimes they are presidents, or dictators, or religious people. Oppression takes many forms, and we should change with it in order to have any hope of defeating it. Any political force that has had power for too long is going to be corrupt. Incumbency, no matter how you slice up the area, is always up to the voter. And that's how they remain in power, and continue to absorb our prosperity, and sucking the life out of a once great nation. And that is how they manage to convince people that they are the only viable choice. And the silence and black out of anyone with an opposing view.

The program is simple. I wonder what would happen if America boycotted Washington?

[edit on 16-2-2008 by projectvxn]



reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 03:43 AM by NorthWolfe CND
reply to post by marg6043


You have forgotten to mention Carter, I hope, or is it just Presidents with an R that offend your sense of democracy?
Carter was, by far, the worst President is US History, JFK the most corrupt, because they are Dem's, or because one got shot, their Administrations seem to fall into some kind of divine limbo. I won't even mention LBJ...


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 08:17 AM by grover
reply to post by NorthWolfe CND


JFK if you forget inspired a sizable portion of my generation with his "Ask not what your country can do for you, rather ask what you can do for your country." which the republicans and anti tax fanatics have perverted into "Ask not what you can do for your country, rather ask what tax cut and bail out your country can give to you."

LBJ for all his faults did more to help a sizible portion of this nations people with his civil rights amendment and voters rights amendment and his war on poverty, rights the republicans have repeatedly tried to limit and have changed the war on poverty into a war on the poor.

As for Carter, he is a good man he just had the lousy fortune to be in office when he did. I doubt Ford or Reagan could have done so well at the time.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 08:27 AM by mybigunit
reply to post by grover


Actually I dont buy the lousy fortune to be in office if thats that case bush was in a really lousy time. 9/11, corporate scandels, Katrin, Asian Tsunamis, much more. He handled them all poorly just like Carter handled all his stuff poorly. I will say this you forgot to mention about Kennedy he wanted to truly fix the country with Executive Order 11110 and ween off the fed and have our money mean something and not pay trillions in interest to the rockefellers and rothschilds. To bad he got shot cause of it.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 09:04 AM by grover
reply to post by mybigunit


I would have to disagree about bush minor... If 9/11 hadn't happened he would have been another in a long line of one term wonders...

it was lousy fortune for this nation that 9/11 happened on his watch and he and his buddies had the chance to milk it for all it was worth.

Shameless bastards.
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