Originally posted by gholland
Interesting subject "the cold war". I was stationed on a Ballistic Missile Submarine out of Bangor WA for several years... When the USSR came tumbling down, the stabilization of the world came down with it. Now we're paying for it... we have two up and coming countries to contend with.

On the subject of multiple voice being able to change things in this country... If you recall a little over 200 years ago a few voices changed history!!!

that was two hundred years ago, and they had things like guns that had to be loaded between each shot.

now, they have sound devices that can drop crowds to their knees, violently retching. they got lots o' gadgets specifically for the purpose of squeliching revolution. all that'll happen is people will get hurt/killed. and the rules will get tighter. and the problems will be more intense. and the freedoms even sparser. and so on

i know that doesn't sound very positive, but i'm nearly 50 years old and i've been watching the political scene and the world scene and it's not looking very promising.

Every single link on that website sends you to ANOTHER government website - the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Economic Analysis ... It doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than a place to go for all the links.

If you bookmark all the links on that page - you can have the same effect as if the page were still up.

I don't see this as anything to worry about, to be honest...

Originally posted by grover
The last 7 years? Throughout the 35 years of my voting life I have rarely seen voters use their heads for anything more than a hat rack. Sad but true. If any politician attempts to tell the American public anything that even vaguely approaches the truth he might as well kiss his career goodbye.

For the most part we just don't want to know. Its easier to say for example that global warming is a scam than to examine how you live your life and determine how to lessen its impact upon the environment. I have repeatedly tried to enlighten people about the lies and depradations of this criminal administration to actually in some cases being told that they didn't want to know, that it was too much to deal with.

We are getting what we deserve... and thanks to that we are well on our way down. The American apex has past.

It's not just the US, the UK public is the same. As soon as politican tells the truth they are dead and yet the poublic wants their politicians to tell the truth! The press are also to blame, politicians cannot say anything to the press in case it is taken out of context which it invariably is. Thus you get interviews where the politican is vague and "does not answer the question".

And you wonder why politicans spin!

You are quite right that we get what we deserve, not just the US but the UK as well.

Marg as far as your comment about bush being worse president I agree and everything but this has been going on way before bush. Bush just doesnt hide it as much. The Clinton's wiretapped phone under code name Eschlon and who knows what else they did. This has been a slow drift into a dictatorship for years now its just so obvious now.

On a side not people keep talking about wire tapping and cameras and patriot act taking away freedoms I never hear anyone mention eminent domain. That in itself is HUGE and I cant believe that never gets thrown in the dictatorship cry.

Originally posted by bigbert81
Here, I think this says it all:

Wow. An unsourced newslink from an obviously biased source. Yeah, that pretty much says it all ... about your research.

Your pal,
Meat.

[edit on 15-2-2008 by mmmeat]

As usual, this seems to have spawned itself into the regular Democrat vs. Republican "who is to blame" battle and the real battle is lost in it.

Only when people realize that there is no longer a difference between those two parties, will the American people be able to join together to oust both of them. This isn't a Republican president, it is a Globalist president operating within the Repubican party. Just Clinton was a Globalist president operating within the Democratic party. The goals between the two are the same, they just have a few differences on how to acheive that goal.

Ronald Reagan was a puppet that was not supposed to have won the election. But he did, and he was surrounded by CFR appointees to try and keep the globalist ship on track, get whatever legislation passed that they could, and just basically ride out his presidency.

If people think that this is an issue only going back to the 80's (Reagan), then they're not paying attention. The largest problem is that the two most important generations of voters that could have had a chance to stop this ship were asleep at the wheel. Those generations being 1) those who are now in approaching or are in their 60's and 2) the previous generation who are approaching or are now in their 80's. By the time you get to "Gen-X" those hitting their 40's now, the establishment was thoroughly entrenched and will not be able to be removed.

Voting in this country is a scam. The Gore vs. Bush election not only proved that if the wrong guy wins, it'll be corrected, but it also served the purpose of pushing more polling stations to electronic voting. Now there's a trustworthy method, eh?

And for those that think there is still an America, think again. This group of politicians (BOTH Republicans and Democrats) have ensure that what we are is a North American Union. The SPP says it all folks, so keep banging the "We're Proud Americans" all you want. There is no America any longer. The drum that needs to be banged is the "We're Proud Constitutionalists" drum and start gearing your lives for the isolationism and hardships that such a belief will bring in this day of extreme globalistic movement.

Get your food and heirloom seed stockpiles going folks, you're going to need them. If you don't think you will, then you're already mentally theirs and you're silently saying that you beleive that this Government will keep you safe and protected so much so that your own self-sufficiency is not required.

We're in for a very rough ride folks. I wish you all the best with whatever is heading down the pike at us.

Originally posted by mybigunit
mmeat if you dont think that the government is fessing up to how bad things are you are seriously mistaken. They come out yesterday and say we arent going in to a recession everything is fine but yet we need to keep lowering rates, printing more money we dont have, keep spending money we dont have all for a problem that doesnt exist...hmmmmm

If you believe that things are as bad as you're saying ... you're seriously mistaken.

The rates have dropped for a reason. A reason that is readily apparent if you look up the word 'foreclosure' on any non-biased and reality-based news source.

Your pal,
Meat.

Originally posted by Apsaroke
Voting in this country is a scam. The Gore vs. Bush election not only proved that if the wrong guy wins, it'll be corrected, but it also served the purpose of pushing more polling stations to electronic voting. Now there's a trustworthy method, eh?

The Gore Debacle only proved that Gore doesn't understand how the voting process works, and that people are willing to blindly follow the ignorant by saying things like 'voting in this country is a scam.'

Any 5th grader knows about the Electoral College.

And for those that think there is still an America, think again.

No, we don't need to think again. Because those of us - the proud Americans - already know our heritage, understand our country, and recognize that it's the best place on earth.

There's a reason that people come here. There's a reason that people escape the tyranny of their home countries and request asylum here. It's because we're a country of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Anyone can say the sky is falling in America ... and that isn't true elsewhere in the world.

We're not in for a rough ride. We're the United States of America.

Your pal,
Meat.