Lent fast re-branded as 'Christian Ramadan'

Not all churches practice this,
www.catholiceducation.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

No, the OP actually understands what is going on these days. Everything is being made to conform to and and not displease Muslims. They even rebuilt an entire jail in England so the Toilets faced the proper direction in regards to Mecca as demanded by the Muslim inmates.

This is yet another example of Islam spreading into Chrisitianity, while Christianity fails to ever make footholds into Islam.

It is as though everyone has become so weak minded and feeble that they bow down to Islamic pressure, and fail to stand up for their very own beliefs in the process. With such a mindset, it is only a matter of time before Fundamentalist Muslims take over the World. You don't think that the terrorists rejoice in hearing a Christian Holiday now being refered to with an Islamic term?

this could also have to do with celebrating the old testament.
I believe the Jews celebrate Ramadan as well (i think), and many christians are starting to study the old testament and celebrate those holidays as well, being that they all praise the same God.
I think that Easter will be next, and celebrated more like passover.

thank you junglejake and stormdancer for your replies

what i see is that the catholic church came up with a festival that cannot be found in the scriptures yet the feasts of the Lord/Yahvah(leviticus 23:2) are ignored by the church and its offshoots.the one fast day found in verses 27-32 is ordered to be kept forever verse 31.

the only reason there are no animal sacrifices right now to accompany G-D's holydays is because there is no temple in jeruslem at the moment----when Messiah returns ezekiels temple will be built(ezekiel 40-48) and regular sacrifices be resumed (43:18-27)

zechariah 14:16-19 shows that the survivors of the nations that attack israel in the end days will be forced to come to jerusalem once a year to worship the returned Messiah and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

i don't understand how some can take lightly what G-D says in deuteronomy 12:32 whatever I command you,you shall be careful to do;you shall not add to nor take away from it or revelation 22:18-19 "this book" could mean the bible not just only the book of revelation.

this is what i understand from reading the bible without a church to help me----i am not member of any religious organization nor have i found 1 yet that wants to do what the bible says 100%

Seeing as how lent pre dates islam by 200yrs? isnt it really that ramadan is an islamic lent.
By the the way what does it matter what a Dutch charity is saying anyway.
I dont think any of the worlds christian churches are going to make the claim that Lent is "Christian Ramadan".
Besides Easter/Lent is really an extention of Passover, which is timed by the lunar calendar, if Im not mistaken. And isnt Ramadan timed by the lunar calendar, the new moon in the 9th month.

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Yes, exactly.

Meh, it's spreading the faith. Ramadan and Lent are very similar in tradition wise. If it makes more Christian, then so what. They moved Christmas over a pagan holiday to appeal to pagans. Religion is a business. The one most welcoming wins.

Here is a very good description of the origins and tradition of Lent:

www.newadvent.org...

Because the Christians want to convert Muslims, and one of the first steps to doing this is to draw lines of similarity between hte two.



Of course, using Ann Coulter as your source for knowledge about Islam is certain to be counterproductive. Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Walid Shoebat, whatever putz you use.



Funny that hte only difference between the two, really, is the divinity of Jesus and the acceptance of Mohammed as a prophet. There's more differences between Christianity and Mormonism than between Christianity and Islam.

But you probably hate Mormons too, so...

Troll Alert!



All religions want to convert other religions.




How about clarifying that paragraph? Are you making some type of evaluation of me?

Don't be afraid. Be clear in what you mean to say.



No, the "funny" thing is that what I said is true, and you'll have to admit it, won't you? Muslims would have a cow if we were to refer to one of their holidays with Christian adjectives.

I hate Mormons, too? In addition to, who?

Are you trying to instigate an argument? What is your problem? Once again, don't be afraid. Come clean and spill it out like an adult.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You might be a bigot with nothing better to do with your time htan ramble about how much you dislike Islam and Muslims, but I doubt you live under a bridge or have more than one wart.



No, it's pretty much just Christians and Muslims. The rest of us, for the most part, either discourage conversion (such as Hinduism) or don't actively encourage it (such as Judaism). 'Course you have groups like the Hare Krishna, but mostly? It's just the C's and I's.



I'm saying you know absolutely dick about Islam. I know this because you enjoy exposing your ignorance in just about every post you make. I don't need to evaluate you, you're pretty blatantly a bigot.

Study from the source, not third-party screech owls and moon bats who are trying to sell you hate. Cut Daniel Pipes out of your favorites list for a while and look for an actual site about Islam by Muslims. Ask questions. Learn from people who practice.



I was under the impression that, your tendency towards singlemindedness and broad-brushed generalities aside, you were smart enough that I didn't have to write with crayon.



Actually what you're saying is conjecture and opinion, with the only backing "facts" being that you detest Muslims and will always assume the absolute worst from them, even in 100% hypothetical situations. Especially 100% hypothetical situations, since that frees you from backing up your spew with facts.



Muslims, dear. I can make some flash cards if you continue having difficulty following.



You're the one basing your entire statement on the assumption that your audience is as biased against muslims as you are, claiming your opinions are pure facts, and then defending these "facts" with more baseless hyperbole and conjecture in an effort to characterize every member of a religion as a crazed zealot full of hatred for everyone. The irony is staggering.

Another poster pointed out that you're seeking to instigate drama with this crap. Me, I think you're just a distasteful combination of ignorance and outspokenness. You're the kind of person I can picture throwing a can of beer and screaming racial slurs at a baseball game to try to start a fight.

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And then you might be talking out of your arse, I never said anything about hating anyone. Oh, but you "just know that to be true", don't you?

Troll Alert - TheWalkingFox



Now there's a real intelligent, reasoned response:




Why are you such a hater?


I've forgotten more about Islam than you'll ever know, sister.

You've already shown who the bigot is with your anti-Christian, anti-Muslim atacks above.



No, you have to be clear. Understand? You haven't been clear yet. For example, you accuse me of saying things, yet you cannot offer any examples. You're a liar and an arsehole.

It's no wonder people avoid you.




It's fact, sister, not conjecture. Look what happened to Theo Van Gogh. Look what happened when the Danish newspaper published cartoons of Muhammed.

In spite of that, I don't hate all muslims. Just the jerks.




Yeah, why don't you make some flash cards when you're done with your arts and crafts and nap time? It'll occupy your time until your meds get here.



Now, how about giving us some concrete examples, sister? Don't just make things up in your tiny little mind. Clear out the trainwreck between your ears and start talking real, provable facts.

There is so much hateful bile coming from your mouth. Why do you hate so much?



I'll leave your entire post in my reply, and probably get an excessive quote warning, but that's OK, because I want the world to see what an ass you are.

I don't know why you dropped in here and decided to launch personal attacks. I don't like you, either. But your tactics are transparent - baiting and trolling, and tossing out BS that I never said, attempting to start a fight..

You're obviously a sad little individual who needs to act like a troll online because nobody pays attention to you in real life.

Grow up.

tnks stormdancer and jsobecky for your link to the catholic encyclopedia which i see admits that irenaeus 190 ad knew nothing of any easter fast of 40 days

i had a look thru our small home library and found our old copy of the 2 babylons by alexander hislop first published in 1916.

on page 104 he says:the 40 days abstinence of lent was directly borrowed from the worshipers of the babylonian goddess(astarte/beltis/ishtar).such a lent of 40 days ,"in the spring of the year" is still observed by the yezidis or pagan devil-worshipers of koordistan who have inherited it from their early masters the babylonians-------a lent of 40 days was observed in egypt ----expressly in commemoration of adonis/osiris the "great" mediatorial god-----among the pagans this lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of tammuz(nimrod) which was celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing.

i seem to recall reading in other books that the church allowed the pagans to bring in their customs with them and made their customs a part of church doctrine in order to keep them happy but while under control of the church hierarchy.

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Thanks, yahn - some goodey info there.

I guess I'll have to modify my previous belief that lent started with Mardis Gras. j/k