Americans need to go on strike!

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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good question my friend at the end of your post....im glad it wasnt a mean comment. I dont have the answer but i can tell you that is no reason not to ponder it and try and find one dont you agree? As a basic life lesson....anything worth having in this world is hard to come by. RIght?
SO.....maybe now you can see my point. We have a failing economic system for all the reasons you actually mentioned because the "whys" are all shrouded by the need for money to actually produce infrastructure right? What if the gass station owner gave the gass to you? Of what if we didnt have greedy oil corps that lobby against and even KILL inventors of engines that run on water? Not Hydrogen but pure water or even kitchen grease? HA....then we wont need gas would we? But then again there is another infrastructure that needs to be supported which i know would be your next response. Yet then i say to you....if we need it to survive then that should be the motivation, not something as finite as money. SO....even in our system. If the gas station owner understood that you needed the gas to get to the family to make them a fire then he would give it to you right? Or at least he should right? Then the man above him has to stop asking for rent....no big deal right since money is just paper? Go all the way up the line in your own reasoning process and you should figure it out. What your saying is that humans need money to be motivated....well i dont and im sure you dont either. So the argument should be about HOW we get there. People kill for money and people die for money....dont you thinik its time for a slight change??
WE should be on the same page man.....please, please. When you see something that causes so many deaths dont you want to ask yourself why?
And when it is so inherent in our thought structure you have to realize that we are already defeated because people like you accept the system as truth even though it limits the thuman condition. Ever try and talk to anyone on the train or in a coffee shop about who they are and what they are doing here? Ha....talk about stunted growth....we have millions of indoctrined generations in the ways of economics and debt when they dont even understand what love and compassion is. There is no room for love in the corporate world and since we are a race of hearts and souls, we should do away with all that opposed them. Man i really have to stop replying....its a lost cause trying to convince some people to see some kind of light other than the bulb put in front of their faces.

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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I'm not sure that your post deserves a response because you are so amped up on the word 'welfare' that you are being disrespectful and name calling. Of course I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think anything me or anyone else can say will change your mind until you calm down and re-read everything that was posted. You are missing the forest because of the trees. Slow down, breathe and then try to come up with some useful things to help human kind. Why don't you take a break from this thread until you've calmed down. Then maybe you will see things with a little more clarity.

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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I could build them a fire, but I can't just give away my wood...it's a limited resource. What if I don't have enough, or what if they cannot give me anything in return (I'm assuming you couldn't, since you refuse to work). Why should I give you part of my limited resource when you either cannot help me in return or refuse to? Why should I hurt myself?


This brings me to my other point.....technology is part of this revolution and our evolution. Solved all your finite resource problems right there my friend just look at the patent website sometimes and ask yourself why non of these things were developed for the good of the race. THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE OIL COMPANIES WILL LOSE MONEY!!!! HAHAHAHA....they dont care about human interaction or whether or not people live or die. Its all about profit margin for them and unless you put a starving babi in their face i doubt they will recognize the human aspect to our lives on this planet.

Again....i got sucked in. Im not the one who makes that ignorant connection to labor through money and getting things done. Its the rest of society that makes that connection so lo and behold we are finally on the same page. Its a huge page but its the same one. HAHAHAHAH peace my friend and stop yelling at people calling them ignorant for the way they think. All i want is unity.

Just forget it Guice, he will not see the way, he has his mind set, and so do we. It is people like this that will slow things down for us. But the end of this society is coming whether he likes it or not.

Personally, I think boring cliches are the root of all evil.

But I digress.

Money is not the root of all evil. Money is a tool, like any other. A desire for money can lead to both good and evil acts.

The basis for human evil is lust; greed is a form of lust, and it does not disappear if money disappears. People will always lust, it is a human constant, be it for more power, sex, land, etc, etc, etc. Even in the most basic society, where everyone has to subsist at the most base, lust exists. Sorry, you are living in a pipe-dream.

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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Like i said in my previous post, there is no changing your mind. You already have your mind set on Ignorance. There is no reasoning with one like you. So go ahead continue to go through life with this type of Materialistic Views, but in the end you will regret it.

Actually, being that I'll be the one actually working to support you and your life style while you are sitting at home, collecting your welfare check so you can "stick it to the man!" I'll be the one who is contributing to human society, not you.

People who actually work, they contribute. People that want to leech off of them, call them "scabs" and demand the producers give them money, "just because" don't.

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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You are right LUSt wont just disappear but so so so much of it will. Murder will not dissapear in whole but so so so so so much of it will as well as death. No one ever said that we dont have to deal with basic human nature after money is gone my friend. You got it though...youre just having trouble thinking outside the box and beleive in money to much. It isnt a tool, it was motivation and now we should realize that we are the tools and have to change our motivation. PIPE DREAM? HA...pipe dreams are those fools who chase money their entire lives, leaving love behind, hurting people, abandoning human emotions for profits. Then they die accomplishing nothing but gaining green paper and clout determined from that. Society is no better because people still die because the real evils that we hav eto learn how to control are perpetuated and enraged by money. What enrages envy and lust more than money and material possessions? Its not only a message about money its a message about letting go of superficial things like money in such a way that we do not base our human interactions on them or our society.

You got me....im adicted to this site. But i think i will let someone else take over, hopefully there is someone.

How am I materialistic? Because I recognize human behavior? Because I don't buy into buzzword cliches?

If only I could be more like you, parroting tired cliches that allow me to pretend I'm enlightened!

You are a hypocrite. You claim you don't want a materialistic life, but there you are with your computer, sitting on a desk, with your electricity, in your house. You don't need that computer, but you wanted one. You don't have to pay for the internet...but you want to. That is the very essence of materialism, spending money on things you don't need but want. You are a hypocrite, and have no right to call anyone else materialistic when you yourself participate in that lifestyle. Until you are in a cave, scraping by, then you have no right to call anyone else materialistic.

Death won't disappear, murder won't disappear, war won't disappear. None of it will ever go away.

What if you need water, or any other resource, but there is only so much of it to go around, and you are left out? Would you kill to ensure you have that resource, to ensure the survival of you and your's?

Actually, I already know the answer...you and everyone agreeing with you will demand the "scabs" kill for you. Then you'll spit on them and call them "scabs" for doing your work for you.

I have nothing more to say to SaviorComplex. He should leave the thread because all he is doing is bringing in negative thoughts. If you disagree then state it and leave. Let us believe what we want in peace, without having to defend it to the likes of you. Especially since you have no reasoning skills. I am tired already of having to deal with people like you. I just don't understand why you don't want to promote something as easy as peace. The only way to grasp at peace is if we are done living in a society were you think voting matters, and thinking Democracy is there meanwhile it is a Dictatorship, posing to be a democracy. You probably believe everything the Television tells you. I tell you now all the Media is there is to Pump fear into the public. All of the top media Owners were seen at the Buildeberg Conferences hmmmmmmmmm i wonder why!?!?!

For someone who is tired of dealing with me, you sure have a long-winded way of expressing it.

See, here's the thing. I could listen to you and leave, but I have every right to be here. I have every right to disagree with you. This isn't an echo chamber. I can stay here as long as I want, and tell you why you are wrong, as much as I want. For all your protesting about things being a dictatorship, you sure can't handle disagreement can you?

"You don't agree with me! You aren't promoting peace!" Sure, the only way to "peace" is to follow you and not disagree...and then you turn around and call the society you're living in a dictatorship. Once again, your hypocritical side shows. You hate living in a dictatorship, unless you're the dictator. I'm sure every dictator thinks the way you do.

reply to post by SaviorComplex

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Youre too far gone dude.....KIll? I would have people kill? HA....my purpose would be to educate them enough so that they would understand to GIVE water to that guy who got left out. This compassion is not only available after one grows in a system of money. THe lie is that knowledge, truth, "resources" should only be available to those who want it first and need it second or at least that is the way it has worked.

You got it all wrong buddy....if i was the man needing water and you had some i know that i couldnt rely on your human nature to be good enought to give it to me or can i? If im on that side though, whatever resources are in my "possession", and you are on the side that has non guess what? I will GIVE it to you and not ask for a damn thing....not your sweat, not your blood, mind body or sole. I would just ask that you do the same and shake my hand.

Sometimes i wish this site didnt exist so i wouldnt be tempted to answer these fruitless argument.

That is just it Guice lets not acknowledge him anymore. We have made our point he has made his. Lets get on with the Subject at hand, And if he Keeps posting, well good for him, I am done trying to convince him, all he does is throw it in our faces, saying that i want to be the dictator, that is the exact opposite of what we are trying to show him, but Alas is way to far gone.

That sounds really sweet, but it's not how the real world works.

Say you only have enough water to survive. Only that much. You don't have any to give away. And then someone demands your water. What do you do?

What if you're on the other side of the equation?

Do you kill then? Do you take it through force?

What do you think is going to happen when you just demand water be given to you, and the other side wants something in return?

Take a lesson from the French. The French can organize and execute a national strike overnight.

Here are a few examples:

www.google.com...

The French make their government work for them with their tax dollars. As it should be.

Take a lesson from the French. The French can organize and execute a national strike overnight.

Here are a few examples:

www.google.com...

The French make their government work for them with their tax dollars. As it should be.

(Sorry for the double post. It wigged out when I hit Post)


[edit on 2/13/08 by kattraxx]

So i think stellawayten, we would need to organize something stable, we prepared with food and water. It would probably take A while before we did something like this. Get the message out is probably the most important aspect of the plan, if there ever is one. But great thread. Aside from the People who embrace Money as a gift. There motto would have to be,

LIFE SUCKS AND THEN YOU DIE!!!!


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[edit on 13-2-2008 by darcon]

Take a lesson from the French. They can organize and execute a national strike overnight. Here are a few examples:

www.google.com...

The French make their government work for them with their tax dollars.

Asome link man, Most americans would disagree but we should be more like the French
But what we are saying goes beyond money. Take money out of the Picture Completely.