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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 01:37 AM by Beachcoma
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Has anyone ever thought that what they dislike about a person's religion is actually just the person? If a person is an ass it really doesn't matter if they are a Christian, atheist, or Muslim ass. An ass is an ass plain and simple. There is a good chance that this same person who gets all in your face over whether god exists or not would most likely do the same over politics or even what kind of lawn mower is the best.


Bingo! We have a winner!

Totally agree with you there. Some people can be so obnoxious and overbearing with what they believe to be true that they won't listen or entertain any other thought to the contrary. They've already made up their mind. While this can be found for practically any topic or subject matter, it is particularly common in those who are religious. It's even more common in the 'born-again' variety.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
It is funny though when we talk about religion, or lack of, it is not the person but the religion/no religion.


It's kinda like the fundamental attribution error. In a nutshell, the fundamental attribution error is a type of bias. When somebody does something (especially if it's negative) we tend to attribute it to the 'type' of person that individual is, instead of the circumstances that led up to that action. Think of that bias, but expanded for in-groups and out-groups.

Group attribution error
The group attribution error is a group-serving, attributional bias identical to the fundamental attribution error except that it occurs between members of different groups rather than different individuals.

Group members are more likely to attribute a fellow group member's actions to their arbitrary circumstances, while attributing a non-group member's actions to something in that group's inherent disposition.


Edit: Fixed BBcode

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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 01:39 AM by Conspiriology
reply to post by Xtrozero


What is it you go to Iraq for Xtro? I had been there, Iran, Turkey, Israel, egypt. Long time ago. I liked Malta, Spain was a blast, I couldn't stand it in the middle east though.. I can't handle that music,, MAN it is annoying.


reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 05:54 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by Conspiriology


You have consistently been selective in your quotations throughout this thread.

By deleting the "banal" part of one of my posts you deliberately gave it a completely different emphasis and meaning to what was originally intended.
My intended "a small minority of Christians" became your "all Christians".
Completely different.

My initial response to you was in reply to a post in which you vented quite a vitriolic tirade against Atheists, (I am not an Atheist but an Agnostic, a big difference), and where you implied that the whole thread was full of hate fuelled postings against Christians.

Oh, and until it was pointed out, I was totally unaware that there are Atheist organisations and if they are part of some underhand conspiracy aimed at discrediting and undermining Christianity they must be very secretive and exclusve as neither I or any other Agnostic or Atheist that I know or communicate with is even aware of their existence.

Now, in the interests of getting this back on thread;
Christian extremists do exist. (This is not an attack on ALL Christians!).
These extremists follow an interpretation of Christ's teachings, hence Christian extremists.
Just how many extremists there are, how much influence they have, what their motivations are and if their numbers are increasing are open to debate.

I would suggest that the petty mud slinging has portrayed neither of us in a positive light.



reply posted on 15-2-2008 @ 06:00 AM by Conspiriology
Originally posted by Beachcoma
It's even more common in the 'born-again' variety.

It's kinda like the fundamental attribution error. In a nutshell, the fundamental attribution error is a type of bias. When somebody does something (especially if it's negative) we tend to attribute it to the 'type' of person that individual is, instead of the circumstances that led up to that action. Think of that bias, but expanded for in-groups and out-groups.

Group attribution error
The group attribution error is a group-serving, attributional bias identical to the fundamental attribution error except that it occurs between members of different groups rather than different individuals.

Group members are more likely to attribute a fellow group member's actions to their arbitrary circumstances, while attributing a non-group member's actions to something in that group's inherent disposition.


Edit: Fixed BBcode

[edit on 14-2-2008 by Beachcoma]



I thought you were on to it with the bingo but then you had to mess it all up again and miss the point entirely.

just like the "born again" "type"

pffft

- Con


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 11:02 AM by budski
reply to post by laiguana


My only answer to that is that extremism is extremism, wherever it's found or whatever name it goes under.

Just because muslim extremists have been more active and successfull (?) in their goals, doesn't mean christian extremists should be discounted.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 11:17 AM by budski
reply to post by laiguana


And your focussing on the fact that christian extremists are less successfull in achieving their goals - does the fact that they are less competent mean they should be ignored?

Besides, bush is what I would call an extremist - how many deaths is he responsible for?
After all, GOD told him to invade iraq.........



reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 11:31 AM by laiguana
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by laiguana


And your focussing on the fact that christian extremists are less successfull in achieving their goals - does the fact that they are less competent mean they should be ignored?

Besides, bush is what I would call an extremist - how many deaths is he responsible for?
After all, GOD told him to invade iraq.........



How exactly would you know what their goal is to begin with? This appears to be nothing more than speculation on your part. Perhaps their goal doesn't involve killing everyone who they may consider to be an infidel. It just may be that the majority of them are attempting a peaceful resolution by acts of diplomacy and awareness, which is the case in the US.
Bush does not represent Christianity, he represents the the United States, although I'm sure many would disagree. Regardless, talking to god, did not provide him with the support required for going to war.
Under militant Islam, talking to allah is more than enough to win support from their supporters.
Bottom line, there's just no real comparison.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 11:49 AM by budski
reply to post by laiguana


So in your view, any extremism except muslim extremism should be ignored.

Riiight.

That makes sense

Ignore an extremist group until they ARE capable of mass murder......

I'm sure heath ledgers family would agree - after the extremism seen in the wake of his death.


BTW, who's making any comparison?
This thread is about CHRISTIAN extremists - are you another who disputes their existence, just because the word christian is used?

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