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Originally posted by budski
Did I ever say that I'm an atheist?
No - and in fact, I'm not.
I am a christian who belongs to no denomination - seeking my own spirituality without the interference of organised religion or people who interpret the bible to suit theor own ends.
Christian extremists are as much fair game as any other type of extremist.
I am a christian who belongs to no denomination - seeking my own spirituality without the interference of organised religion or people who interpret the bible to suit theor own ends.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to
Wow, how is this for manipulating the truth to portray a message NOT as it was intended.
Christians on ATS can only be described as outdated at best and downright evil at worst. - freeborn
The full paragraph from which you heavily edited the quote actually states:
You have deliberately edited a post in an attempt to blacken the name of a fellow ATS member to further your own agenda of portraying ALL atheists and agnostics as evil wrong doers who are all conspiring to "overthrow" Christianity.
An excercise in manipulation straight out of the Josef Goebells School Of Propaganda.
At no point during this thread have I, or the OP, ever stated that ALL Christians are evil extremists yet your continued insistence that we are part of some plot to discredit Christianity is quite bizzare.
I am honestly unable to post anything else in response for fear of contravening T&C and posting an outright personal insult, something I really try not to do, (though sometimes fail).
For the first time on ATS I am tempted to use the ignore button, and that is very, very sad
Originally posted by budski
Can we please stop with the finger pointing and attacks?
There is no reason why this can't be discussed in a calm and rational manner.
There is no anti-christian agenda here.
If a person believes there is, contact a mod and express your concerns through the proper channels.
This kind of thing does nothing for anyone, apart from raising blood pressure.
Let me repeat - this is not an anti-christian thread.
This is an anti-extremist thread.
These particular extremists just happen to call themselves christians - their words, not mine.
Originally posted by budski
They have every right to express their opinion -
Don't try and pull the "we're all christians together" routine on me.
It's not up to us to moderate the board, and others opinions are just as valid as my own.
Your version of christianity is obviously different from mine - I prefer to try and be tolerant.
Evidently that's part of the teachings of jesus that you're not familiar with - but that doesn't mean not to try.
I know it's hard sometimes - but that's what the mods are there for.
If you feel someone is out of line, just hit the button to complain or alert a mod.
These three con artists are not the problem. There is enough scum out there to take their place. Rather, they offer a window into a worldview that is destroying the United States. It has corrupted the Republican Party. It has colored the news media. It has entered into the everyday clichés we use to explain ourselves to ourselves. It is ignorant and racist, but it is also deadly. It grossly perverts the Christian religion. It asks us to kill to purify the Earth. It leaves us threatened not only by the terrorists who may come from abroad but the ones who are rising from within our midst.
www.alternet.org...
These men are frauds, but this is not the point. They are part of a dark and frightening war by the Christian right against tolerance that, in the moment of another catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil, would make it acceptable to target and persecute all Muslims, including the some 6 million Muslims who live in the United States.
www.alternet.org...
I have also stated that even though I am an agnostic, I know Christ's teachings are not of hatred but of peace, love and tolerance.
Of course you would know that I posted that if you had read the whole thread as you have stated.
Or is it that you conveniently chose to ignore this?
So which is it?
Ignorance or lying to twist things?
You posted:
Christians on ATS can only be described as outdated at best and downright evil at worst. - freeborn
The full paragraph from which you heavily edited the quote actually states:
Indeed, some of the opinions expressed by so called Christians on ATS can only be described as outdated at best and downright evil at worst. (Fortunately only by a minority).
I honestly thought that Christianity of this kind had been left behind in the past.
The full quotation shows the context it was intended to convey;
SOME Christians, not all, and only a minority.
I also expressed the opinion that I thought Christianity had progressed, (From the Dark Ages, The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades etc).
You have deliberately edited a post in an attempt to blacken the name of a fellow ATS member to further your own agenda of portraying ALL atheists and agnostics as evil wrong doers who are all conspiring to "overthrow" Christianity.
Again, another example of moral superiority.
Does your arrogance and conceitedness know no bounds.
That happens sometimes when someone else comes in and claims the moral high ground and spouting nonsense with absolutely no supportive evidence and showing a total ignorance of
My bone of contention is that you come bludgeoning in calling people EVIL obviously without reading the whole thread.
If you had then you would have known that the OP never once stated anything remotely like ALL Christians are evil.
you don't know WHAT my morality is and when it comes to that I will tell you right now I don't just have a skeleton in my closet I got a graveyard ,, I never said I was any better than YOU.
I never said I was any better than YOU.
In fact I will tell you that you can stand outside right next to me and the sun is gonna shine on BOTH OF US.
Again, another example of moral superiority.
Does your arrogance and conceitedness know no bounds.
I am truly grateful that you are not representative of Christians I know, both here on ATS and in "the real world".
My bone of contention is that you come bludgeoning in calling people EVIL obviously without reading the whole thread.
If I mean YOU,, trust me,, I have no problem using your name and being that specific.
Look freethorn,, I am done with you,,all I see is you trying to argue making assertions about me when you don't know a damn thing about me . I have not called you a name or assumed anything of you personally like you are of me. Since you insist on continuing to act like I have done something too even when I say I haven't even met.
Where you get the basis for these assumptions are beyong me.
That I have a different opinion to you is obvious and I certainly won't stop expressing my opinion because a conceited bigot like you tries to intimidate me with your overtly aggressive posts.
Why is it that theists think they have a monopoly on compassion and caring.
Oh, that's right, because it gets them brownie points which may allow them to enter into God's exclusive Members Only Club come Judgement Day.
Well here's some news, I do it because I care, not because some, possibly imaginary figurehead has instructed me to.
I'm sorry my friend, but your moral superiority cut's no ice with me
The only people on this thread who have been spouting hatred have been some of the Christian posters.
Is that so? and tell me,, what is the provocation for these alleged hate posts? Or do you think Christians don't have a right to get upset when they are being portrayed in such a fallacious inflammatory way?
Originally posted by undo
pick one
shhh, we can't pick one. we're too busy reading christians the riot act for the same things everyone else has always done. like i said it's the "don't do as i do, do as i say" syndrome. (not that christians haven't done the same thing but isn't it ironic that no one notices it, when they are doing it? it's like a deep trance comes over them and they lose all reason. i swear it's supernatural)
Originally posted by Freeborn
Well, how about trying to explain this one.
Why the deliberate attempt to misinterpret what I have posted?
I have never once stated that ALL Christians are extremist, or evil, or deserve to die.
Show me one example.
Show me one example
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Has anyone ever thought that what they dislike about a person's religion is actually just the person? If a person is an ass it really doesn't matter if they are a Christian, atheist, or Muslim ass. An ass is an ass plain and simple. There is a good chance that this same person who gets all in your face over whether god exists or not would most likely do the same over politics or even what kind of lawn mower is the best.
It is funny though when we talk about religion, or lack of, it is not the person but the religion/no religion.
Let’s just take this and put it to politics…
If got all in your face and told you all the great things about Bush and then verbally attacked you if you even minutely disagreed do you blame Bush for my actions, or do you just see me for the ass that I would be?
I have spent a lot of time in Iraq and I’ll spend a lot more time over there, but when I see one Muslim that kills others even children for his version of his religion I see an evil man and not a evil religion.