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Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by luxor311
Our Bible tells us to question religious authority and all doctrine. It also tells us to use reason and discernment in all things. Many of us have examined the evidence with an open mind and have accepted the faith after critical research and personal experiences. To know such things and still say, "Nah." is close minded in my opinion.
Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions (also called axioms). This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
I think the sites you provided are a perfect example of why the op decided to post the heading he did for this topic.
here is a quote from the third link:
Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions (also called axioms). This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.
of course this can be applied to both sides of the argument, but there certainly is A LOT of this going on in the Christian camp.
in a nutshell...the axiom that defines Christianity's views and why they always think they are right (generalizing of course) is because Christians believe the Bible to be a 100% infallable account of history and spiritual dogma.
true REASON and LOGIC can provide heavy arguments that this is just simply not the case.
Much of the new testament gives a spiritual message that can actually, possibly help and improve your relationship with?... God, universe, self "governing power".... whatever that realm is. (unlike the old testament which pushes agenda and false/ altered-to-fit information)
And this goes for other "holy" texts as well. so it is not that Christians are the only ones that think they are right..it is all religions. Like i said to someone else..if you are going to be religious and follow a certain belief then at least study as many of them as you can and then choose. not just the one that is convenient and easily accessible, or becaue your parents went to one church their whole life. Do some homework and learn. why be subjected to one belief and never try to understand and compare other religions?
Unfortunately though, much like ego and self righteousness, many "believers" think they have all the answers because the Bible (or equivalent book) tells them all that is needed to know (going back to it being infallable). That is where there is a huge divider between spirituality and run of the mill control-religion.
if you think you have the answers..more than often you do not.
and more than often you will not be able to connect with that ever so important spiritual side that is so often brushed aside for the material world we live in.....
god knows i am as guilty as they come.
I know AshleyD can sufficiently address this, but, I'm not one to sit idly by.
The same thing that is done in 'scientific' fields, especially evolution.
Whose suppositions will change many times each year. Their conjecture
is what most of their careers are based on.
It can't be PROVEN. Just because someone says, "It's a FACT!"
I think most every Christian here has said or implied that we are not infallible or perfect.
Bible being perfect is a different matter, since it IS perfect!
The Living Word.
It can hide pearls of wisdom from the foolish or give it's treasures to those who LOVE the truth!
It's also a mirror, where, like it or not, God CAN show you your spiritual condition.(Most people don't care to know.)
True reason and logic?
I haven't seen you or your like-minded posters provide ANY that is contrary to the scriptures.
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
if you are so positive that the bible is so infallable then why even respond? especially without taking into consideration as to why certain questions are being asked in the first place...you dont even consider considering the possiblility that there may be something to all the skepticism about the bible....if your beliefs are so concrete in your being, then what would be the point in even debating different aspects of christianity?
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by luxor311
I've said this a million times before and will say it again. Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists, Raelians, Jews, and Buddhists all assume they are correct. The only group that might not be included in this is Agnostics.
[edit on 2/12/2008 by AshleyD]
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
and here we go! a comeback I suppose was the intention here.. please point out when and where I said evolution was the all-encompassing answer that you seem to be implying somehow?
Bible being perfect is a different matter, since it IS perfect!
The Living Word.
hallelujah folks!..you heard it here..the bible IS PERFECT! thank you for revealing the 'forbidden knowledge'....
"The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). The King James Version-- relying upon the Textus Receptus or the Received Text, which has been known as the Majority Text or Universal Text from the Byzantine family of Greek manuscripts [MSS] of the New Testament-- preserves against the corrupting tendencies found in the modern translations. "Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him" (Proverbs 30:5). The Alexandrian Text-- once identified as the Minority Text or the Egyptian Text-- with its non-Biblical Apocrypha and Gnostic tendencies were used to produce the Westcott-Hort Greek New Testament (1881), which are found in those modern translations. "18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this Book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this Book" (Revelation 22:18-19)
. i hope god gave you a big pat on the back for it..or maybe a star by your name in the book of peter next to the pearly gates...
please enlighten us on these pearls of wisdom...we understand your intellect tips the scale is on a much higher level than the rest of us foolish goyim..so please...do tell
i am more than willing and more than happy to recognize a well thought out reply from a devout christian. And I would absolutely consider re-converting to christianity if clarifying evidence surfaced that defied my understanding and interpretation of the Bible.[/quote]
Many could do it better than me, but, I've said what I think is good.
Inerrancy is the view that when all the facts become known, they will demonstrate that the Bible in its original autographs and correctly interpreted is entirely true and never false in all it affirms, whether that relates to doctrine or ethics or to the social, physical, or life sciences.
Hallelujah! YES! it is perfect.
Also, there is Much evidence in the ruins of ancient cities!
How does archaeology prove the bible And PLEASE check out my signature!
We have our reward. My main goal is to open people's eyes to the truth BEFORE it is too late. DEATH.
If you want to discuss goyim, please go Here.
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
pick and choose ashley. pick and choose what it is you want to highlight and reply to...the easy road well taken with a twisting if intent..golf clap for you
Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by abelievingskeptic
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I am not a 'dude'. I'm an older 'Lady'.
AND, I have never read or heard any material of Sitchin's.
I believe what the Bible says about the fallen Angels and Jesus the Faithful! And God!
Originally posted by TruthIsNow
I think they think they are right because they read a book they have no concept of, and if they were GOOD human beings, they'd realize they need to wage war against the NWO.