well....bye,bye, Berkeley your toast now.No more money will be coming your way possibly...boo-hoo. Lets see if their tune changes.Attack the President and Congress for their policies but don't attack our soldiers or for that fact the military in general.They are just doing their job don't blame them.Booo!!!!Hisssssss!!!!! to Berkeley!!!

[edit on 11-2-2008 by CaptGizmo]

Where is the link to the statements Berkeley made?


No one is deserving on not being questioned or critiqued. Blind patriotism gets you in quite a mess, both globally and nationally.


Most of our troops are good, honest, volunteer citizens. No disrespect from me ...

but, to punish for free thought, in a free country ... now that doesn't sound right at all.

Sounds like another case of - You are only free if you agree.


Sorry, but, there have been mistakes, and people should always question their orders ... if they are right morally and humane. An Army of one, mean one who can think for themselves and decide right from wrong, not blindly follow misguided orders from psychotic or dirty leadership.

Anyone involved in torture serving our military is deserving of being criticized ... and punished by the laws that prohibit such actions ... including the ones giving the orders ... all the way to the top. The leader is responsible for his crew, which puts Shrub and Dick responsible for torture as well ... and should be punished alongside those they condemn for the same transgressions.


Support our troops, bring them home to their loving families.

So,this bill may get passed or it may not,I just find the timing of it to be rather good for the congressmen who are introducing it.

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
but, to punish for free thought, in a free country ... now that doesn't sound right at all.

It sounds more like Berkeley isn't getting its allowance from daddy federal government. I wouldn't say it's a punishment as much as it is taking away an earned allowance from a misbehaving child.

It sounds more like Berkeley isn't getting its allowance from daddy federal government. I wouldn't say it's a punishment as much as it is taking away an earned allowance from a misbehaving child.

Exactly. As a research university, UCB is subject to the political whims of Uncle Sugar. When the granola-and-Birkenstock crowd gets too rowdy and makes bad publicity, well kids, its an election year after all...

this is entirely reasonable. People tend not to realize that the relationship between the states and the federal government is a two way thing. The Federal Government gives the states support and protection and in return the states give the Federal Government support in the form of tax money and allows federal institutions to exercise the authority that has been legally given to them.


Trying to kick out the US armed forces, in any shape or form, is paramount to insurrection. Berkley is lucky Bush isn't trying to bring his Insurrection Act powers into force.

if they r doing it to berckley does that mean if all schools around the country do it they will also get the same treatment .... could b a good thing .. no more brainwashing

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
but, to punish for free thought, in a free country ... now that doesn't sound right at all.

Sounds like another case of - You are only free if you agree.

In your case, I would say it is Berkeley and YOU who thinks someone should be allowed Constitutional protection and freedom if they agree with you.

What Berkeley has done is violate the US Constitution, specifically the Equal Protection Clause. In giving Code Pink a special permit, and a special parking place, what Berkeley has done is say that Code Pink's "speech" is more valuable than anyone else who would like to demonstrate at the recruiting office, either pro or con. They gave Code Pink special-status and extra-ordinary rights because they agree with Code Pink's "speech," things they have not allowed other groups, specifically those who may support the Marines.

You know, you're free only if you agree.

Like how I turned that around?