reply to post by thelibra
Nice post - you either did your research really well or you're in the community.
Compartments don't get exciting names like "Black Hole Research" and "Warp Drive Technology Division." They get names like 882-8A, from which
nothing can be derived, not even by the compartment that houses the database workers themselves. When a new project opens, a new number is issued to
it. The database doesn't read "882-8A: Cloaking Systems", it's just "882-8A", along with its list of points of contact, its budget, and what
requirements must be met to review any information coming out of this department.
Yeah, but. There are indices of what project numbers are what projects, at least at the level of vague description. The average Joe might not have
access to it but they are there. Until it compartmentalizes, you can often find what a TS project is, where it's at, who the point of contact is, and
occasionally who's assigned to it.
Where the fun comes in, is that if it goes SCI, the number will change, but often the POC and budget numbers do not, leading to an entertaining means
of correlating what SCI compartments belong to what formerly TS project.
Grant you, they get edgy when you provide those correlations online, so I don't, although the data gained by that isn't good for much but satisfying
curiosity about how big project z has gotten and what sort of money they're chucking at it these days. I might add using the same sort of trick you
can get an idea of where they moved to if they up and vamoose, at least occasionally.
Each Compartment is given strict orders not to discuss their jobs, except in the vaguest of terms, like "Systems Engineer," or "Operations
True. Some compartments are wider-ranging than others, though. Most guys work on one little aspect of a project. Where you tend to get a larger
viewpoint is if you're either management or in a compartment that spans others. The one that is the most fun is when you are doing systems
integration, as it's damned hard to figure out why things don't work together unless you know all about that set of things. Grant you, they'd still
rather you didn't see the entire thing so you end up with crap you can't really do well, like spreading the guts of something all over the hangar
floor in an attempt to replicate the error outside the customer equipment. I've only seen that work once. Being in some aspect of customer equipment
operation generally also gets you a bit wider scope as it's damned hard to monitor something without knowing what the other bits do and how they'll
Then you have what we call 'masters of the universe' that are scoped for the whole thing, but they're rare. Generally some sort of egghead or
Something you missed - the nature of the talk in the break rooms is amusing to say the least. A couple of us did a thread on Fark years ago called
'the classified water cooler' where we were circumlocuting about a couple of fictitious projects in an exaggeration of the way you hear people talk
when they're trying not to. "Hey, you know that project that Joe didn't make the cut for?" "The one downtown?" "Yeah, but we've got 20
buildings downtown.." "No #, I only knew about two" "Whoops" sort of thing. Hearing people trying to talk about stuff without talking about it is
funny. As a second tier at such places, "I work for the USDA" was my line. Or "France, I come from France"
Other notes from reading other posts:
While SCI is a pain, I have been on TS projects where the management was more "Let's get in here and solve this damned problem, raise your right
hand and say "I swear if I spill any of this then MARSOC will come to my house and kill my children" ok, get in there and get busy, we'll clean up
the security paperwork as we go", and others where you couldn't piss without permission. Navy sucks, Marines and JSOC are more practical, IMHO.
People who work in "Secret Facilities" have yet to come online and post here at ATS a guide as to how to debunk those who claim to be from them from
those who really have been. To do so would probably get them fired, arrested, fined, or imprisoned.
I can't see a debunking guide causing an issue. It's not going to ruffle a lot of feathers to ask something like, when you enter the main door of
the NSA rotunda, what's to the left? Or "Where does the west exit at Benning take you" or the like. If you want to tick them off, there are plenty
of ways that will get attention. I know a guy that posted a screen cap of his Intelink-s home page, that didn't go over well.