Debunking Secret Facility Fakers

You would be amazed at how much bending takes place if someone has some needed skill that is in demand.

Back around 2000(Y2K scare times) I briefly held a Help Desk Job for a NASA contractor. I had an MCSE, they couldn't find enough warm bodies. I was resetting passwords for Langley, the CIA NASA facility! I didn't get a clearance(yeah, I'm a flake!) and didn't get followup contracts, but I worked for 6 weeks without any clearance at all.

Also there is another level. When one gets high enough to manage Projects, the information may go beyond the "Need to Know" level to whatever is necessary to manage the project. Of course, at this level the "Blood Oath" covering you is pretty strong. Even at this level, I suspect that a certain amount of flattery is used, ie, the significance and scope of what you are doing will be exaggerated.

The system minimizes the need for expensive oversight.

I don't remember ever seeing a exotic technology whistle blower that was very credible. Maybe a few people whose disappearance or demise is well documented.

Its sort of like, he must have revealed too much, he paid for it didn't he?

My porpose was not to inturrupt this mans' thread. I was impressed by the depth of his description which appeared quite, "real" to me in a perspective that exists. I love hearing from those who participate in right movement for the improvment and preservation of the human race. OH maN!! How can I eveR be in enough noW?!

My (very limited and now dated) experience of working on security cleared projects tells me that whilst the initial post is somewhat brief and does not cover all likely scenarios, most of the information is mostly correct and matches my experiences. Put it this way, if you know they're checking up on you, they've employed the wrong person to work on you.

Great post, well done! I agree with just about everything you said about these "secret facilities" , and people who really work in one and people who are faking it. I worked for the Spartan Cor. in 2000-2003. I was an inspector of the pc boards that we made there. I would fix them when they weren't to quality, and load them on to the racks where they would go on to the next stage of processing. Its funny, because at the time, I had no idea that what we were putting together was sensitive and classified. I had no clue at all! This is a good example of the "compartmentalizing" that you speak of. The right hand not knowing what the left is doing. It makes me feel rather stupid now lol! The technology then has now been long surpassed, but I did find out long after I left working there that we were building missile guidance systems of some kind. All I ever did the whole time was look at them and fix one's that weren't up to speed quality wise. I don't know if it was that big of a secret or anything, or how big the project was. All I knew was my one little job. I think the majority of people who work on a secret project or in a secret facility don't have any idea, so it raises no alarm with them. Thanks again for the great post!!
Thanks, Rev. Jeff D.

I was going to make an attempt at a witty reply along the lines of "You must be a sweeper for the U.S. Government who comes in and tells us all this neato information on how to catch a faker, when in reality all these people on here are really informants and you just don't want us to know." and cloak it in a vast amount of sarcastic humor.

Then I realized that that would make me look like an idiot.
So, thanks for the information. I personally have only been the subject of one persons diatribe on their life as a CIA/NSA covert operative, so I don't have too much to say on the subject of people trying to goof me into believing random stories.

I do however know what it takes both in time and in divulgence of personal information to get a security clearance. It took me the better part of my 6 years in the military, and 18 submissions of the SF-86 (standard form for the U.S. government to begin a background check for clearance of any kind.) before the government started mine, and only after 18+ months of endless investigations did it happen. Now I have a 10-year window with which to do something with my clearance and I'm not too sure I want a job in the government any longer.

So yeah, anyone who brags about "doing this or that" in a high-level clearance position ANYWHERE where you could even THINK about them being a fraud.... is most likely a fraud. *If it seems to good to be true then it most likely is.*

There are not only photo fakers,there are TOUR GUIDE POSERS to" AREA 51"
(pete@area51trips.com)is one that will offer fake structures and questionable
dry lake photos with his descriptions of their origin.
It is implyed that for a few hundred bucks he will take you for seven hours to the groom dry lake bed on the base..then landsailing on it before the return to `Vegas.
NOTHING COULD BE MORE OBVIOUSLY FRAUDULENT AND BOGU$.
E-Mail him and "Book a trip"AFTER getting more information (BS).

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Did you go on one of his tours?

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uhh, your story doesn't make sense to me. I enlisted into the military in Jan of 2001, i recieved my interim secret at my first school, and didn not recieve the official clearance until almost a year after reporting to my first command. The background check for a secret clearance is obtained by filling out a 10 year history, including all jobs immediate family and references not in your family, fingerprints, and financial information. the information is the same when obtaining a top secret clearance, the difference being the amount of resource spent on the investigation. The DoD issues a clearance for 10 years, and even if your clearance is revoked for any reason, there is a apeal process, an additional investigation, and so on.

Having said that, in all the places that i have worked that contained information FORUNO and up, i have never once seen armed guards at all doors and stairs, and i have obtained a clearance above what i have talked about up here. in fact, in order to man these doors and such you are dealing with having to give the guards the clearance to access the space, and much information they will not have a need to know and would require constant scrubbing of the workstation to make sure that some dummy with a gun is not shoulder surfing.

There is nothing special about having a clearance, any one can get one for the most part, its not about what you have done, its about not being in debt, and not lying on your app.

AND having a clearance does not automatically mean that you have access to all the secret material there is, it only gives you access to what you need to know.

I really have no idea what I am looking at, if this is real then prove it to me....
I here all types of stories about Area 51...

Anyone got some proof of government cover up email me right away, I here they have proof of Spaceships and all kinds of stuff prove it!

dmobile215 at gmail dot com

If you are serious show me some evidence..www.dmobile.ning.com...

Thanks for the thread OP, it's helpful. Yeah just looking at the board as of this writing, there are LOTS of clearly fake secret facility claims or employee claims on it. It has gotten out of hand, this board would make it seem like EVERYONE and their dead grandmum works at Area XX.