Debunking Secret Facility Fakers, page 3

Originally posted by wx4caster
reply to post by scientist

uhh, your story doesn't make sense to me. I enlisted into the military in Jan of 2001, i recieved my interim secret at my first school, and didn not recieve the official clearance until almost a year after reporting to my first command. The background check for a secret clearance is obtained by filling out a 10 year history, including all jobs immediate family and references not in your family, fingerprints, and financial information. the information is the same when obtaining a top secret clearance, the difference being the amount of resource spent on the investigation. The DoD issues a clearance for 10 years, and even if your clearance is revoked for any reason, there is a apeal process, an additional investigation, and so on.

Having said that, in all the places that i have worked that contained information FORUNO and up, i have never once seen armed guards at all doors and stairs, and i have obtained a clearance above what i have talked about up here. in fact, in order to man these doors and such you are dealing with having to give the guards the clearance to access the space, and much information they will not have a need to know and would require constant scrubbing of the workstation to make sure that some dummy with a gun is not shoulder surfing.

There is nothing special about having a clearance, any one can get one for the most part, its not about what you have done, its about not being in debt, and not lying on your app.

AND having a clearance does not automatically mean that you have access to all the secret material there is, it only gives you access to what you need to know.

Now I must disagree that the info is the same for secret and confidential clearance versus top secret. For secret and confidential you have to undergo a NAC, LAC and a financial check. For top secret you go through a SSBI which includes the above plus field interviews, a record check and a subject interview by a DSS agent or contractor. Your references will also be asked questions about your past and present activities, employment history, education, family background, neighborhood activities, and finances. During the investigation the investigator(s) will try to determine if you have had any involvement with drugs, encounters with the police, or problem drinking habits, and other facts about your personal history. The investigator(s) will attempt to obtain both favorable and unfavorable information about your background so an adjudicator can make an appropriate determination.

The objective of the subject interview is to obtain a complete picture of you as an individual so that an adjudicator can determine whether you will be able to cope with having access to classified or sensitive information without becoming a security risk. Therefore, the interview will be wide-ranging and cover most aspects of your life. During the subject interview, expect to be questioned about your family background, past experiences, health, use of alcohol or drugs, financial affairs, foreign travel, and other pertinent matters.

Remember, all these questions are asked for a purpose. The investigator is experienced in conducting these interviews. It is unlikely that anything you say will cause him or her shock or surprise. Be as candid as possible. The investigator will try to put you at ease if you become upset or uncomfortable. It is in your best interest to answer the investigator's questions in order for an adjudicator to reach a valid decision on your suitability to access classified information or be appointed to a sensitive position or position of trust.

For confidential clearance you must undergo an additional BI every 15 years, for secret every 10 and top secret every 5 yrs. con/sec are valid for 10 yrs and top secret for 5 yrs.

As far as the appeal process the vagueness of tyour statement is interesting. Revocation or suspension of a clearance can result in immediate job loss, removal, or demotion. So while you can appeal it the ramifacations can be severe and unrrecoverable.

As far as their being nothing special about a security clearance, for one it ups your avg income 5k-15k per year. Also it means your a US citizen as non us citizens cant gwt a DOD security clearance. Its also quite difficult to get an interim clearance for SCI/SAP. As far as it being easy to get a security clearance, hmmmm... Depends on your interperetation. About 25% of the the requests are denied and considering the initial screening by the contractors I think its a high amount. SF-86 now must be submitted as an eQIP and the review is pretty stringent. I've seen them be delayed for years because someone left off a short term job. There are also 2 types of polygraphs you will take the Lifestyle or counterintelligence. Then theres the FSP, full scope which covers both.