Good find and good post Zero!

These type of experimentation is still going IMO. A little OT but they tested vaccines on us 'troops' in the first Gulf War and many, me included, are sick because of it. If anybody thinks your government wouldn't do this sort of thing think again, you are sadly wrong.

And they say we are paranoid, dillusional. I was even called schizophrenic in another chem thread because I believed they were spraying the population.

C'mon de-bunkers bring your persistant con-trails, your atmospheric conditions, keep your head in the sand and leave your blinders on, you're the ones who allow the gov to get away with this crap.

Originally posted by ANOK
C'mon de-bunkers bring your persistant con-trails, your atmospheric conditions, keep your head in the sand and leave your blinders on, you're the ones who allow the gov to get away with this crap.

It's kind of hard to allow some one to get away with something, when you don't even know for sure what they are doing.

I think what most of us just want is some solid evidence. It looks like there's a list of stuff from the 50's and 60's, but that's it. Those were most likely low level sprayings. And not what chemmies claim as 'chemtrails' today. I just need something more then photos of fluffy white lines in the sky. I don't get why more chemtrail believers don't go out and try to collect more data. Like check to see if conditions are right for persistant contrails or not and if they arn't, then maybe one would be onto something. It would be a start at least.

Originally posted by zero lift
Before anyone dismisses the idea of Government Agencies conducting clandestine spraying over populated areas, it might be a good idea to first have a look at the declassified evidence of past US Government CBW experiments.

I don;t dispute the possiblity that such clandestine operations have, and maybbe still are, carried out in some places.

But that doesn't change the fact that what are usually claimed to be 'chemtrails' have a totally innocent meteorological explanation.

Now here's a different angle to the conspiracy: suppose those websites posting pictures of contrails, cirrus clouds, irridescence and such-like and making silly claims that they are proof of 'chemtrails' are actually disinformation sites aimed at ridiculing the whole idea and thus ensuring that the real spraying - which would occur at night or when low cloud prevents observation - goes undetected?

Make an outrageous claim, no-one takes you seriously, and the small element of truth within the claim goes unnoticed

I don;t dispute the possiblity that such clandestine operations have, and maybbe still are, carried out in some places. But that doesn't change the fact that what are usually claimed to be 'chemtrails' have a totally innocent meteorological explanation.

I agree Essan.

But there is also the curious fact that some 'chemtrails' might even be caused by meteorological researchers themselves. This was certainly the case in the past.

A system for classifying the degree of atmospheric turbulence which is still widely used in the forecasting of plumes of particulates, owes its existence to the UK Large Area Coverage BW experiments.

The senior Meteorological scientist at CDEE Porton Down, Frank Pasquill, based his famous 'Pasquill stability categories' on results obtained from the ongoing large-scale Zinc Cadmium sulphide experiments.


In recent years, Porton Down have admitted that many of their LAC related BW experiments were carried out under the guise of meteorological research.

See below -

General. Item 5. Security If anyone asks you what you are doing in the field the only permissible answer is that you are sampling atmospheric pollution for meteorlogical research.



Source: Microbiological Research Establishment Porton Down Field Trial Report No 1 November 1963

I would like to point out that past evidence shows that many different agencies have been involved in separate aerosol dispersion experiments; each totally unaware of the others activities.

The same practice could be occuring today.

No overall conspiracy, just a shared lack of concern for the health effects that their research might cause.





zero lift

I don't think this will be problem much longer. The way I see it, the spraying started the same year they went looking for the 1918 Spanish Flu virus, and it will stop about the same time the virus is released. Actually, I'd say around the middle of August.

have just skim read the toxicologists report on the Dorset Defence Trials that zero lift posted
he states that due to the action of sunlight on bacteria he would assume that any hostile action would be done at night

soooo.....

it appears that we need more, far more, evidence of chemtrails being seeded at night.