Tank on the Moon!!?

reply to post by ngchunter

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Ha Ha! Thanks for the rest of that conversation ngchunter...

...If those were actually real "alien built" domes they were talking about, then those astronauts must have a very short attention span:

"Look at those [artificially constructed] domes..."
then,
"Wow, look at those cliffs!"


I wonder what other conversations did these astronauts had?:

Astronaut #1: "Hey -- look at that alien standing next to that big rock."
Astronaut #2: "Yeah -- that IS a big rock."

Thanks for the link to the Apollo 12 transcription. I just read it for myself. Yes there is a greater context surrounding the mention of a dome, as ngchunter points out, but still only fragments of it have been quoted in this post. For the record, here's the entire conversation pertaining to this very peculiar incident:



It was suggested that the line "look at the cliffs" was a change of subject. However, if you read LMP's previous quote, when he says "That big ... there," you can imagine that he's physically trying to point out the location of the dome. When CDR merely says "Yes," he apparently does not see it, so LMP gives him a landmark to zero-in on - "Look at the cliffs." CDR hardly takes the time to look, as the time record shows, and as his next comment demonstrates - "that's a big crater." He merely glances for a few seconds at the most prominent geological feature that catches his eye - a big crater. This obviously frustrates LMP, who exclaims "Gosh damn! You're going to - look at this ... Christ sakes!" He's still trying to get the other astronauts to look, but they're trying to fly a spacecraft -understandably preoccupied. LMP's enthusiasm goes unnoticed. The next statement made by CDR is perplexing: "I didn't know that thing was Armstrong's ..." I have no clue what he means here, but it definitely doesn't settle the issue of the dome sighting that had LMP all fired up. I suspect he wasn't even responding to LMP at all, and was talking to CMP. After that, CMP changes the subject and they start going over a checklist.

You have to use your imagination to try and fill in the gaps here. The script tells us a lot though. We at least know that the issue of the dome sighting is still up in the air. LMP never dismisses it, he just consents to his team's disinterest and their focus on procedure at that particular moment.

Anyway, very intriguing, and this should set the record straight.

By the way, I just posted a reply anonymously, right before I decided to post again in regards to this issue. I was told that I had to wait 12 hours to make another anonymous reply, so I went ahead and registered to skip the wait. You guys are stuck with me now! It'll be great fun, promise...

Love,
Maat

I wrote an article about this program, including quotes and pictures, which can be found on my website (here's a direct link):

www.maatunidy.com...

The focus is on the visual evidence of the glass domes and on the many inconsistancies in the dialogue of the show.

Enjoy!

Maat

Personally, I was not suggesting it was a change of subject, but rather a description of what made the dome interesting. As far as I'm concerned, "look at the cliffs" probably refers to the cliffs of the dome itself. As I posted previously, domes on the moon are a well established geological phenomenon, and they sometimes feature steep slopes or cliffs.
history.nasa.gov...
history.nasa.gov...

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reply to post by ngchunter

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It could be that he was observing one of the geological features that you pointed out. I doubt it though. Personally I wasn't all that impressed with the pictures you provided. I mean, if I saw one of those on the moon I might remark, "oh, that's an interesting geological feature, it resembles a dome." I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it like he did, and I wonder why he reacted that way. The conversation is quite odd. I suspect that it was edited. NASA has a nice little chop shop for that!

Anyway, the issue isn't this little tidbit of information - this particular conversation. There's a mound of other evidence for the domes, and I mean the glass ones. Well, take care

Maat

Considering that lunar geologists, like the ones who trained the astronauts prior to their lunar missions, specifically refer to shield volcanoes on the moon as "domes," one would expect that an expert refering to a "dome" on the moon would be refering to a one of these features unless they specified it as something else. Here's another lunar "dome," once again, completely natural, but taken from orbit on apollo 12:
www.lpi.usra.edu...

If you were cruising at an altitude of only a few miles over the lunar surface it'd probably look impressive enough for you to want to make a big deal out of it too. Areas of the moon that look dull from earth can take on an exciting appearance from lunar orbit.

I find nothing odd about it. Did he say "look at that big glass dome"? Why wouldn't he specify it as such to grab their attention since he would have known that a "dome" is a kind of volcano on the moon that's nothing out of the ordinary? What's more likely, that he decided to call an alien artifact by a name that refers to a specific, well-studied geological feature and for some reason decided it had "cliffs," or that he saw a cool looking dome on the moon with very steep cliffs and thought it deserved some attention? I see nothing reasonable about assuming the former into existence.

Uh, proof?

Show me a picture of the dome structure will you?

I can't get the link to work good sir. Could you please alter it? or post the article here in with the pictures?

star for you if you do...

The Title is misleading and I respectfully ask that you change it to something more sincere and appropriate.

Why not just say ________ < name of lunar module ...on the moon ?

In the short clip of info you posted it does not mention a tank as we know it......


It is however an interesting read and I'll give you a star for that........

reply to post by LucidDreamer85

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In defense of the OP (which was posted over a year ago), the Tank on the Moon is the title of the "Science Channel" documentary that he referred to in his post.

Personally though, I think post itself is misleading. The information about the Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2 robotic rovers is not "recently declassified". Details of the Lunokhod rovers have been known since the mid-1990s and their existence has been known publicly even prior to that.

Having said that, the story of the Lunokhods is very interesting. The "Science Channel" documentary was informative, even if it had a title that may be a little misleading to the general public.

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Daft question, but anyone know if these things still work?
Might be a little interesting if they are (if even only partly)

reply to post by Daisy-Lola

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Well, first of all they're completely out of fuel, and the electronics that controlled them were all crashed into the moon after they were done serving their purpose. Nothing about the spacecraft was designed to be reuseable (though the engine was capable of multiple restarts), and it's unknown what effects 40 years of space weathering would have, not to mention liftoff of the ascent stage. To sum it up, you could probably get them working again, but they're going to need a lot of work and a complete replacement of consumables.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by ngchunter]