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reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 01:14 AM by ben91069
reply to post by AshleyD


Thats why I agree with the matrix theory of reality. It can be said that the past is an illusion designed to trick us, even if there are hints of truth in the past. I cannot prove that anything happened 2000 years ago, or what the apostles thought or were convinced of, but I know myself and I know that I have accepted the truth of Christ within me. Thats all I actually know.


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 01:23 AM by banyan
Originally posted by ben91069
reply to post by AshleyD


Thats why I agree with the matrix theory of reality. It can be said that the past is an illusion designed to trick us, even if there are hints of truth in the past. I cannot prove that anything happened 2000 years ago, or what the apostles thought or were convinced of, but I know myself and I know that I have accepted the truth of Christ within me. Thats all I actually know.



so is christ an evil machine that humans created but became more powerful than us, repressing and enslaving humanity into a dream-like state for energy, feeding everyone a religion that brain-washes us into believing that we do love him sincerely, wholly, and to death?



reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 01:40 AM by AshleyD
Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
ok now im confused, what is your take on that whole subject ashley


Alright, I'll be more than happy to share my beliefs on the subject but please realize they are just beliefs. If a pretribulation rapture is true, then Christians are going whether we believed in it or not. If we're wrong, then we're still going to be here. Our belief or disbelief in it will not change the fact as to whether or not it will occur. It's one of those things we'll find out eventually so no point in feuding about it.

In Revelation 3:10 Jesus promises to keep us from the tribulation that will come upon the whole earth (the tribulation). The tribulation is also described as "the time of Jacob's trials" in other passages. Not the church's trial. We're gone at this point.

We are told God will not turn his attention back on the Jewish people until the precise "number of the Gentiles comes in." So we know the rapture is not a time specific event but one based on a number of people.

Then Paul comforts a Christian church who thought they had missed the rapture and thought they were now in the tribulation. He tells them not to be worried because the tribulation will not start until the Antichrist comes to power but that will not happen until "the restrainer" is taken out of the way. Christians prior to the tribulation are promised to have the Holy Spirit indwelt inside of us. This is a promise tribulation age Christians do not have. So, when the Holy Spirit goes, we go too. Spirit filled Christians are the restrainer.

But here are some interesting things I was reading today on a prophecy website. It sounds like Satan knows full well there will be a pretribulation rapture and is already planting the seeds of deception to explain where everyone went:

1). There is a New Age book called Project World Evacuation written in 1993 that uses the exact terminology the Bible does when it mentions the rapture. In the Bible, we are told we will be taken "in the twinkling of an eye." This new age book says the "dark forces [true Christians] holding us back from our next evolutionary phase of enlightenment will be taken in the twinkling of an eye in order to cleanse the earth of them."

2). Then there are some Virgin Mary apparitions occurring more frequently as we get closer to the appointed time. Apparently some are receiving encounters with "Mary" and are being told she will appear to all believers and anyone who cannot "bear to look at their sin" will be taken away.

3). Then there is the UFOligst who has been channeling an alien by the name of "Ashtar" (sound familiar? It's a demon in the Bible) and "Lucifer" (another familiar name!) that says their alien race will be returning to purge the earth of the wicked in order to allow the rest of the world to reach the next stage of enlightenment. Who are these people that will be taken away? Again, Christians.

But here are some excellent articles that explain the pretribulation rapture. I only mentioned a few of my favorite Bible passages. There are dozens more. This should give you a good start:

Pretribulation Rapture Passages in the Bible.
Answers to common criticisms about the pretribulation rapture.
Defending the Pretribulation Rapture.
More Pretribulation Rapture Passages in the Bible.
This one talks about the UFO abduction explanation as to where everyone went.

[edit on 2/10/2008 by AshleyD]


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 01:59 AM by ben91069
reply to post by banyan


I admit, I am not a Matrix movie fanatic, to have followed what it said, but I have the jest of it, and you are correct in that interpretation. The world is not real, it is an illusion of the mind, which is the same as saying you believe what you are seeing. The movie, is just a modern interpretation of the Jesus story, IMO.


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 02:05 AM by ben91069
reply to post by barmshadow84


Many believe it is fact, but many also base beliefs on proof of words or wording of scripture, and what other people tell them. The essence of the story of the Bible can lead people to truth but churches disrupt the truth with other motives, etc.

Any person who reads and interprets the word solely without help would do well, in my opinion versus someone who believes anything they hear from someone else. See the parable in the NT of the man who spread the seed on the rocks.

I personally think the truth of God is solely a matter between you and God, otherwise you could credit your salvation through hearing the word physically with your ears from another. It is faith based and cannot be based on any tangible evidence.


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 02:12 AM by banyan
Originally posted by barmshadow84
Many argue christinanty is theroy, however christians believe it's fact.
" 7th.day advent's,baptist,lds,rlds,methodis,ect.
As the catholics do when they pray "The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit"
God,Jesus,THe Spirit are the same. God couldn't revel him-self to us however he needed to pave the way for forgivness so HE SENT HIS BEGOTTEN SON TO US that through JESUS we "mankind" could make it to heaven. Question: Can so many Millions be wrong?
I like to make people think???
As a christian on this site & other christians I believe it's our duty to help non-believers find THE GOOD NEWS "GOD LOVE US & WANTS US".
As far as the what & when & where who other than god knows for sure. We can only be ready for when it happens.


oh, i know without a doubt there are millions of people who believe christianity and hold to it as undying fact. i know this. i was one of them for 19 years of my life. what changed my mind was the hypocrisy of the majority of those professed believers and the lack of truth provided.

and yes, i went to church weekly, twice a week for a few years. i went on missions trips and to youth group activities. i went to a christian school for all of my schooling until college.

and after all that, i became a writer. i took liberal art classes at a major university, where all of a sudden, i was no longer in a little jesus bubble for the first time. i saw and read what other humans believed, felt, lived, and died for. i interacted and debated with other scholars of all religions and nationalities in philosophy classes. i read and cried about all the people that died under the christian church for being witches, heretics, or anyone who didn't mesh well with their beliefs.

i know the christian dogma and accompanied lingo. i am aware of christianity, but i think christianity does not want to be aware of me, or want to have anything to do with me. christians only want to convert. is that really loving your neighbor as you love yourself?


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 02:26 AM by barmshadow84
reply to post by banyan


I'am sorry....
Christinanty does want you. to many christians listen to their so-called preachers of the thruth. Hpwever many preachers bend the word for their own interpations. My best friend " a Baptist" preacher reminds us all not to judge others for our own sin is = to others, Sin is Sin. We as humans believe lying isin't as bad as murder. However in gods eyes it's still sin.
It's taken me a long time to understand not to judge but to accept people for who they are. Those who really understand what christianty is all about are few. But in the end god wants us to promote THE GOOD NEWS.
Another preacher friend of mine states the church is nothing more than a hospital for sinners. Were not perfect nor will we be but we can try to lead a better life.
Once saved always saved Once asked for gods help he will not turn away from us. "What a true friend", he'll always be there for YOU.
With that said I say Good Night or Morning I pray all who see this will understand.


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 02:38 AM by banyan
Originally posted by barmshadow84
reply to post by banyan


I'am sorry....
Christinanty does want you.


no, you must be mistaken for a religion or worldview that accepts humanities' diversity and respects it, not trying to convert or condemn to hell anyone not believing it. christianity DOES judge and condemn. you prove it with your initial post. why would you post that, if you do not wish to sway people to your views? you have not given me any reason at all to believe you.

i suggest that if you do want to convert people over to christianity [which i would not condone], you should be able to defend why you believe what you believe more fully. don't just say that someone should believe this. give reasons based either upon fact, new insight, or at least use rational logic to validate your argument.

[edit on 10-2-2008 by banyan]


reply posted on 10-2-2008 @ 03:14 AM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by banyan


Actually it'd be pure speculation. A theory has data to support it.

In my opinion, with the way Christians act these days (spamming message boards with poorly-spelled ravings about the religion are among the least of htheir offenses) I can't blame Jesus for taking his sweet damn time.

"Awwww, daaaad, do I hafta?!"
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