Germany becomes First Country to admit Chemtrails Operation

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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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The Canadian Government is about to introduce Geo-Engineering proposals such as "Altering the Earths atmosphere using aerosols" as "Solution to Global Warming" even though this operation has been in full scale deployment world wide for the past ten years with persistent denial by officials in both the American and Canadian governments. This information comes from someone who attended a conservative victory party on the night of the recent election and overheard environmental scientists discussing their glee at finally having a majority government in Canada in order to (officially) implement these proposals.




posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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Well then they are not "finally" going to implement it then, are they.

Personally I think 2nd or 3rd hand reports like this lack credibility - there is no evidence they have been doing it for 10 years, as you allege, and if it was really secret then scientists at a political conference would not be the sort of person that "compartmentalisation" would be giving the knowledge to of the whole programme in the first place.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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And here is a good link to all the info on Weather Modification. And, guess who owns the most stake in Weather Central? The Rothchilds. This article is long, but lots of good information if you will take time to read it. Or just put it in your favs to go back to later. Later


watch-unto-prayer.org...



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Except their stake is not in WEather Modification Inc - it is in WEather Central -


The world’s leading provider of interactive weather graphics and data services for television, web, and mobile, Weather Central’s highly accurate and personalized forecasting offers businesses and consumers a truly unique suite of science-driven weather information products.


So they have bought a majority stake in a graphics and data service that specialises in weather information - it doesn't change the weather, it doesn't even monitor the weather as far as I can see - it gets information from weather services, and turns it in to graphics and displays that you see on TV.

The Rothchilds are savvy businesmen, and they acquied the stake (assuming the facts in the article are correct) in January 2011.

It is likely that Weather Central makes quite a good profit - why is this suspicious in any way?

As for the rest of the article - it draws a lot of long bows - for example snow enhancement from 2005 onwards causing curent floods of the Missouri Rvr, uses Carnicom's "research" as evidende of chemtrails, and says that "Owning hte Weather 2025" contravenes teh Geneva accord on not using weateehr modification as a military weapon, and numerous other basic logical and factual errors.

Realy it is nothing more than a mismash of old chemmie claims with a few new ones - like linking cloud seeding to the Missouri floods, and somehow seeing somethign suspicious in the Rothschilds purchase of Weather Central.

Yawn.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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Great thread, but I notice the original source (as well as the digg.com submission and YouTube video posted) have already been removed.

DoD disinformation in action? Methinks so, but of course they would hide any proof of that as well eh?



I did find copies of the article on other websites though by Googling the text pasted in the OP. Another copy here: www.fourwinds10.com...



"In the United States of America there has been protest after protest for many years against these military operations, and now people are mobilizing in Germany as well.

"It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population."


Go Deutschland! They've apparently had their fill of Nazis for a century or so, and who can blame them?




posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
Great thread, but I notice the original source (as well as the digg.com submission and YouTube video posted) have already been removed.

DoD disinformation in action? Methinks so, but of course they would hide any proof of that as well eh?


Maybe it was removed because it was a hoax?


So are you now claiming that, contrary to everything else you've said, chemtrails are in fact anti-radar chaff deployed by military aircraft on exercise and, whilst invisible from the ground, can be readily identified on radar?

I think we should be told


btw if the link in the OP no longer works, try here: Germans admit they used duppel

And if you still don't believe the truth, I can give you Karsen Brandt email and you can ask him yourself.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Placater
The Canadian Government is about to introduce Geo-Engineering proposals such as "Altering the Earths atmosphere using aerosols" as "Solution to Global Warming"


How many spare KC-135s does the Canadian government have, how many airfields near the equator do they operate from and if the Americans have been doing it for years, what's the point in them joining in now?



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by Essan
Maybe it was removed because it was a hoax?


I'm sure you would love it if everyone believed that?



So are you now claiming that, contrary to everything else you've said, chemtrails are in fact anti-radar chaff deployed by military aircraft on exercise and, whilst invisible from the ground, can be readily identified on radar?

I think we should be told


I think we should be told too, and that's what the article is actually about:


"It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population." ...

This is a very significant development in the battle to find out why our governments are spraying chemicals into our atmosphere. However, it is only the tip of the iceberg. ...

Right now we can only speculate as to what type of chemicals are used in these operations. *However, one thing is certain: if we saw a car driving down the road, spewing out a plume of smoke the way these planes are doing, we would be very concerned.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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The makeup of chaff is quite well known. It's environmental impacts are well studied.
Here's a report from the University of Saskatchewan.
www.env.gov.nl.ca...

Whereas conditions conducive to chaff degradation (low soil pH, moist & warm conditions) are likely to occur during the summer months, the effects of an extended winter period on the environmental degradability of chaff is unknown. Regardless, from a chemical toxicity standpoint, it is highly unlikely that chaff releases will have any impact on ecosystem functioning. Likewise, human health issues associated with the inhalation or ingestion of chaff fibers are considered to be negligible because the chaff fibers are too large to pass to through the nose or mouth, and because concentrations of suspended chaff are well below known toxic thresholds. There is some evidence to suggest that exposure to airborne chaff could cause dermal irritation; however, it is unlikely that concentrations of airborne chaff at ground level would ever reach the level needed to bring about this effect.
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posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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Thanks for that Phage, but read this again carefully please:


"It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population." ...

This is a very significant development in the battle to find out why our governments are spraying chemicals into our atmosphere. However, it is only the tip of the iceberg. ...

Right now we can only speculate as to what type of chemicals are used in these operations. *However, one thing is certain: if we saw a car driving down the road, spewing out a plume of smoke the way these planes are doing, we would be very concerned.



This is from the original article.

Can you see where they are definitively claiming that all of this stuff is only chaff? That's right, that's not what they are actually saying.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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The video and the "article" mistranslate what is said. That is why the video is called a hoax.
If you listen to what is being said you hear the word "duppel", which gets "translated" as "chemtrails".
www.youtube.com...

Duppel is the German word for chaff.

Chaff, originally called Window[1] by the British, and Düppel by the Second World War era German Luftwaffe (from the Berlin suburb it was first found near), is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metalized glass fiber or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of secondary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 03:13 AM
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That mistranslation is completely irrelevant to the fact that they are not claiming to know exactly what is being dumped. It is clearly being expressed that the people want full transparency and to know the full extent of what is being dumped. You are assuming what is being dumped based on taking the German military at face value, which not even the German people themselves are doing. The German military also seems to suggest they are only dumping a small amount of material, and yet the artificial clouds appearing on radar cover very large areas, again, according to the article.

We all know that you are an excellent mouthpiece on behalf of the government, Phage, but not everyone has the same amount of trust in them, and hangs and depends and has total faith in their every word, as you do. There are those of us who are more and more distancing ourselves from what people such as yourself are promoting.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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On the contrary, they do know what is being deployed. Here is Karsten Brandt again. It's quite clear what is being discussed.


Yes, a small amount of chaff can create a large radar return. That's what it's supposed to do.
www.wrh.noaa.gov...
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posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
On the contrary, they do know what is being deployed.


And what is this? Another argument from authority.

What part of "We don't trust you enough anymore to take your word at face value" don't you understand? This applies to governments and militaries. Okay?

You know the saying, "Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining." Well don't dump crap in our skies and then make excuses, and expect people to just believe you because you have some sort of automatic credibility because you speak on behalf of the government/military. It doesn't work like that anymore.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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Watch the damned video. Think for a change.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by Phage
Watch the damned video. Think for a change.


You call having blind faith in what the German military says they are doing "thinking"?

Yes, of course you would.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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bsbray11, could you kindly answer the question: do you believe that chemtrails are actually chaff deployed by military aircraft and, whilst invisible from the ground, can be readily identified on radar? As indicated by this particular German new story?

If so, then we can be sure that chemtrails are very rare.

If not, then you're guilty of deliberately spreading disinformation.

I think we should be told.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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But, to quote the "experts" on ATS, "Why do you want chemtrails to be real"

Sorry, I just had to point that out.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Phage
Watch the damned video. Think for a change.


You call having blind faith in what the German military says they are doing "thinking"?

Yes, of course you would.


Funny , the chemmies sure were willing to have blind faith, when they thought this video admitted chemtrails. You all fell for a hoax translation, and you are dancing around, yet again, trying to find anyway that it can possibly be true.

Some chemtrailers deliberately mistranslated the video, and the people here will defend that mistranslation as long as they possibly can.
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posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Photo evidence of American chemtrails...(mood lightener)






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