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Is McCain Eligible?




Topic started on 8-2-2008 @ 11:16 AM by pityocamptes


Some Question McCain


www.military.com...

From a columnist named Devy Kidd...

\"As for McCain\'s alleged wins, first I want to address an allegation flying around the Internet

Is John McCain eligible to be elected President ? February 01, 2008 - State Department Watch - NOT any government agency, but appears to be private individuals

\"Senator John McCain is apparently not eligible to be elected President of the United States under the clear provisions of the Constitution. McCain is not a natural born citizen inasmuch as he was born in the U.S. Navy Hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, which was never part of the United States.

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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:16 AM by pityocamptes


Hmmmm, will the US abide by the Constitution, or *snip* can that like everything else?????

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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:23 AM by vor78


John McCain's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth, hence, it does not matter where McCain himself was born. He would qualify for US citizenship.



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:26 AM by pityocamptes


But is he a NATURAL citizen? According to the Constitution and the Miltary code he may not be...



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:30 AM by vor78


Yes, he is considered a natural-born citizen of the United States. The author of the article is either intentionally misleading his readers or has not bothered to do any research whatsoever.

www4.law.cornell.edu...



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:34 AM by DimensionalDetective


McInsane is going to be the next President, unfortunately. The corporate controllers and Military Industrial complex have made their choice for our next war-mongering, special interest leader. And their puppet, the MSM, are ramming him down the throats of americans as being the best thing since sliced cheese. Get ready for at least 4 more years of the same-old, same old.



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:46 AM by St Udio


There are plenty of American citizens born in the foreign countries where the parent is stationed. That POB (place of birth) is moot as the parent(s)
were American citizens, thereby making the newborn automatically an American
rather than the nationality of their birth place.
~USA uber alles~


Now a 'Natualized' citizen, such as myself (or Arnold Schwartzenegger)
are not permitted to serve as President.



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:48 AM by pityocamptes


en.wikipedia.org...




The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first extended citizenship to children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."[1] This was addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Dred Scott case as a form of naturalization.[2] The Dred Scott case, however, was overturned by the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868. The Fourteenth Amendment mentions two types of citizenship: citizenship by birth and citizenship by law (naturalized citizens): "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens by birth. There is some debate over whether other persons with citizenship can also be considered citizens by birth, or whether they should all be considered citizens by law (thus "naturalized"). Current US statutes define certain individuals born overseas as citizens by birth.[3] One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. Thus, to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States; otherwise, they are citizens by law and are naturalized.[4] To others, the statute that grants citizenship to American children born overseas exempts them from the term "naturalized" and thus, as with the 1790 law, they are to be considered "natural born citizens" eligible for the Presidency.[5] Examples of persons who become citizens at birth (whether "naturalized" or "natural born") would include: birth to Americans overseas, or birth on U.S. soil, territories, or military bases overseas.[6]



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:49 AM by ChrisF231


The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory from 1903 until 1999, as such he was born on US soil at the time.

I also believe Obama was born in what was then the Territory of Hawaii but I could be off by a few years on that one.

This brings up an interesting question; will we ever see a President from Puerto Rico, Guam, USVI, America Samoa or the Marianas, etc?



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:52 AM by pityocamptes


Does a territory qualify? See the Wiki article as there has been some dispute in the past for presidential nominees from such previous territories such as Arizona.



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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 12:09 PM by vor78


Since Cornell Law School wasn't enough, I'll post a link to the official US government website:

www.access.gpo.gov...

Under section 1401 (E), John McCain is considered a natural-born US citizen. He's also considered a natural born US citizen under the provisions of 1401a and 1403.

1401 (E) makes it clear enough by itself, however:

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States
of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has
been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying
possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to
the birth of such person;



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