You might not like Sharia Law but how will it effect you personally?

Integration goes both ways. Why can't society change to allow other citizens the freedoms they desire? You want immigrants to integrate and be part of your society but at the same time you are alienating them by not allowing them to practice what they have all their lives. You want immigrants to respect your culture then you need to learn to respect theirs.

It won't effect anybody but Muslims...

when you go to someones home and spit on their furniture and say 'well i do it at my house ' is that ok?

Parts of Sharia is already practiced in two EU countries. Bulgaria and Greece (Thrace). There Muslims practice the part of Sharia that handles mariage, divorce and custody cases. Goverments also offered them to practice inheritance law portion of Sharia but Muslims refused that.

But there were some documented cases by Helsinki human rights Monitor of missuse of Sharia in Thrace where certain families were selling 13-years old girls for 3000 Euros a pop. Selling women for mariage is also practiced in some small city near Prishtine in Kosovo where they parade women in open market and when you choose one, you sit down with the elder of the family to close the transaction (land or cash).

The penal/criminal part of Sharia cannot be practiced in EU states, because the State has the monopoly on repression, and because we are secular. Penal/criminal part of Sharia in also not practiced in progressive Muslim States.

Now, I personally have nothing against parts of Sharia law (I think it is very effective if practiced properlly), but are women down with that? I mean, I don't hear anybody asking Muslim women for an opinion. I also don't hear any women rights activists protesting. Or media just don't want to report that?

[edit on 8-2-2008 by yanchek]

Originally posted by northwolf
When someone comes to my door and asking me to help them, i assume that they don't thank me by forcing me to live their way in my own house If you don't like the way our laws are, change them via normal prosess or go back to where you came from or where Sharia is used today.

Where is anyone forcing you to do anything? I asked how is it going to affect you personally? Is it? Or are you just scared of other peoples culture?

It's a law that would allow them to do what it is they do under their Sharia law, how is it forcing anything on you?

I don't think Muslims, all 2.7% of them, are going to force you to do anything...
It's just hysteria over nothing. I'm not saying I agree with Sharia law or even if they should be allowed to practice it, but I like to have the freedom to practice my culture (which a lot of people hate and wish to remain illegal) and I feel everyone else should to. If it infringes on me, or anyone it shouldn't, then it should be stopped. But I doubt it will ever come to pass anyway...

How many of you know any Muslims? Talked to any? Would you befriend a Muslim? If not why not?

The archbishop long since lost his credibility, it is no wonder Church of England attendances are plumetting when good little house dhimmis like this cretin come off with crap like this.


There should be no "dual" legal system, no matter how minor, even if it is limited to civil matters- that in itself is wrong, divisive and downright insulting and colonialesque by muslims and their indigenous apologists, PLUS if anyone thinks this isn't a slippery slope, then they are naive, stupid or scared.


If people are not happy with the system in our country, they can move elsewhere- something which white (nominal) christians have been doing in large numbers for the last 20 years- if any muslim wants to do likewise, then happy days

Well then, perhaps all the Indigenous Australian's can go to the UK and demand recognition for Customary Law over there?

Cos, they can't get recognition for it here...

It is one thing to respect anothers culture but to expect the laws in another country be changed to suit their own culture is a bit much.

Why bother even leaving the country your from?

excellent post stumason

Originally posted by blueorder
excellent post stumason

Make that two.

If Muslims want to be be ruled by their law, then go to a country that uses that law. Muslims that are born in this country have always had to follow English law and personally i get on well with Muslims but you can't have one set of rules for one and one for another.
It riles me that Muslims can now claim benefits for more than one wife when it is against the law in this country to have more than one wife.

This country is going to the dogs and has been for a long time.
Glad i got that off my chest.

Originally posted by jon1
Make that two.

If Muslims want to be be ruled by their law, then go to a country that uses that law. Muslims that are born in this country have always had to follow English law and personally i get on well with Muslims but you can't have one set of rules for one and one for another.
It riles me that Muslims can now claim benefits for more than one wife when it is against the law in this country to have more than one wife.

This country is going to the dogs and has been for a long time.
Glad i got that off my chest.

you certainly aren't alone, and I repeat, the emigration OUT of the UK in the last 20 years has been phenomenal, and it has largely been a white exodus (naturally from a Christian, however nominal, background)- nobody got outraged at this exodus and I would not be outraged if thousands of muslims felt this country did not express their religous needs sufficiently and decided to leave the country.

Never forget muslims make up 3% (known) at present of the UK populace, what demands would be made when they get into double figures..................

I've listened to the Archbishops interview twice now on the BBC Radio Four web site and I think he is being incredibly naive.

Many people promoting Sharia Law point to the Jewish Beth Din Courts which operate in the Uk and say "why not us?'. These courts Judge and mediate on matters relating to marriage/Divorce and property rights. However, they in no way supplant the Law of the land. If they grant a divorce you are still obliged to take the normal civil legal proceedings to have the marriage annulled. If any person is unhappy with the judgement of these courts, they can have it challenged under English law in a Court of Law. Beth Din courts do not stand above the English legal system and their judgements are subject ultimately to English law.

There has been a lot of encouragement over the years for this sort of mutually agreed mediation and it does work well for many people. However, I get the impression that some people arguing for Sharia Law want more than this, namely a completely separate legal system and this simply won't work. Even if sharia was simply used for the Divorces, there is still the fundamental problem that under Islam, a women is not considered equal to a man. Neither is her evidence or testimony. I should add that I have yet to hear one cogent and detailed description of what Sharia involves from any Muslim commentator over the last 20 hours of new coverage. Every comment seems to contradict one made previously and this is a huge problem when trying to discuss this issue rationally.

The reaction to The Archbishops comments have been pretty startling and I'm concerned that we may be approaching a 'Tipping point' in attitudes and tolerance levels as a result of the demands being made by some sections of the Muslim community in the UK. This can no longer be dismissed as racism or working class prejudice. There is also a perceptible change in the attitudes to be found amongst the white liberal middle classes towards Islam. You cannot have two equal legal codes operating in one society, particularly when one of those codes if founded on laws which are offensive to the majority of the people in that society.