My teacher slanders news media claiming its fake!!

What do you think this is? Soviet Russia? Oh, oh wait.. do you live in nation with state run media? Do you live in the USA? If so, it's called freedom of speech and not only is it Not treason to speak out against the news but it's applauded for those who are informed. Your teacher taught you a valuable lesson that day and you should thank him, not spit in his eye.

Who is lying the teacher? not the media? GOOD ONE! he told the truth, the media lies.....

your mind is fragile and naive? or is that just the view you have of others? Just because YOU feel fragile and naive doesnt mean others are.

Did they tell you their minds were fragile? Or is this your view of others?

[edit on 8-2-2008 by KanehBosm]

reply to post by B-Rad G

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What if he wasn't lying? What if the system of rule that disallows teachers from telling truth is setup to keep young minds like yours from learning the reality behind the situation?

You should thank him for giving his opinion. I would be delighted to see more teachers standing up for what is right instead of following along with the game of deception and ignorance.

EDIT: Guess I should have finished reading the first page, wherein the OP claims he made up the whole story to get a reaction.

That is incredibly lame.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Ionized]

I see we all wasted our time. I had a feeling I was but gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I'll trust my instincts next time.

I vote to ban also. How childish.

So, regardless of the orignal posters motives, everyone seems to think that AQ video is fake, right?

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I never said I do, didn't even hint at it, yet he assumed I agreed with his make believe teacher.
I honestly couldn't care less at this point, I will say that I wouldn't be surprised to find it is a fake.

reply to post by B-Rad G

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Lies? How are you to judge what are lies and what are not?
This is a case of opposite oppinions I'd say.
In this day and age you can never be sure what is true or false if you experienced the ordeal yourself.

So to be honest... none of you know if that video is true or made as propaganda, it's a matter of faith.

Regarding the question wether he should have said it? Well... I guess he shouldn't have. Especially not in the heat of passion.
Kids are easy to influence. Most kids are drawn to their parents views others to a favourite teacher or the strong kid in the school yard. Therefore both parents and teachers should both hold back in the presence of kids when it comes to politics and religion. I've met very very few teachers or parents who were able to remain objective even when the kid started swaying towards the opposite ideal.

But again... don't call him a liar. Some believe that 9/11 was an inside job and some don't and from that... some believe a lot of the so-called al-queda material is made us westerners and some don't.
But yes... do question his extreme openess in class

How to prove yourself? You really can't unless you were there making the clip. Even if a fallguy did come out and was blamed for it, how would you know that he really was the guy who made it? Could be someone taking a fall or made to take the fall. It worked with Oswald so why wouldn't it work again and again and again.

Evereyone has an opnion in life... it's your choice whether you let that bother you or not... sounds like its you who is creating the problem, not him...

He may be right... the media is a joke here.. they are told what and what not to say... and they say things based on what our true intentions are... so I would take that srory with a grain of salt like your teacher did.

Look how they lied about Iran and how the media feeds off that... saying they are giving explosives to extermists in Iraq... the nuclear program(which was shut down in '03, our intelligence says, contradicting the Bush cabinet)... WHEN THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY OF THAT!!! All to make we the poeple pissed off and for the government to justify war against them thinking we will back them because of what the media has told us... War with Iran is coming before Bush leaves, if he leaves...

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Oh, you mean the same Al Queda that was created by our own CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan?

The same Al Queda that is ran by Osama Bin Laden? But I always forget, is it the fat-nose Bin Laden or the skinny-nose Bin Laden leading them this month?

The same Bin Laden that gave George W. Bush a loan to start Arbusto energy?

reply to post by B-Rad G

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He's not lying.

Propaganda has always been a large part of warfare. Look at all the news before the invasion of Iraq. And it ALL turned out to be lies.

The media has a history of slandering anything they deem may pose a threat to them and their agenda. Take for instance Ron Paul. Barely any coverage of this candidate and if he is covered, it always has a negative overtone. Google: Gulf of Tonkin. This is a prime example from a long time ago.

The media is a corporate/government joke. You should thank your teacher for giving you a chance to see the world differently. You shouldn't believe everything you're told.

Go find out information for yourself. I'd be happy to provide several links if you'd like to see how corrupt and propaganda-oriented the media really is.

Don't believe me on the subject, don't believe your teacher on the subject. Do your own research. You might look up terms such as "Project Mockingbird," and other things such as MKULTRA. Look at things in Google, either supporting your apparent belief about the reliability of the mainstream news, and what supports agreeing with the assessment of your teacher.

Study more, and study everything you can study. Chances are you will increase your capabilities as a student by doing something rather than not doing anything and simply accepting your own current beliefs in the reliability of the major news media. Another subject, consider the concentration and centralization of the final word on what is published? Could you consider the possibility that owners tell editors and upper management what they can and cannot say on the news?

Should it be you are sincere on this posting, you will probably agree more with your teacher here alone, because it is a rare instance in education for anyone to deviate from the "script." Read John Taylor Gatto and consider what he is saying. I doubt your teacher will be teaching for very long, especially when he is presenting a what he considers to be a well researched and truthful outlook deeper than the usual textbooks of your grade level.

Slander is telling lies that tear down someone or something such as your idea about reliability of the news. Is it a lie and is it "slander," when you can readily research the matter for yourself and expand your knowledge? Have you apparently already closed the book on the issue? I hope not.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by SkipShipman]

Ahem

While the author of the thread has admitted his OP was made to test reactions AND not a statement of his personal core values and thoughts, the issue he raised still has merit if you wish to discuss this. As always please stay on topic and no personal attacks.


Fred

B-Rad G

How did you find out about this site?

I only ask because corruption and propaganda from the media is essentially common knowledge here. Ron Paul is a common topic and his lack of coverage when he is clearly supporting ideas and policies that the majority of Americans agree with, that is, end the war, cut spending to help the economy, and restore personal liberties that have been eroded since 9/11.

The media is all controlled by higher-ups with insane amounts of money. Rupert Murdoch owns 1/5 of the media in the world, including Fox News, the London Times, Myspace, and various other media outlets throughout the planet. The rest of the media is controlled by a small handful of people and corporations, all of which want to continue pointless wars.

There are plenty of threads about media bias, propaganda, and flat out lies where you can check out links to various other sources. I think you will be very interested in what you find, which will only make you dig deeper.

It is tough for a teacher to be truly objective, especially if that teacher believes what he is saying is a law. A lot of teachers have issued concern and disgust over the increase in the department of education the last few years, where the government mandates the cirriculum.

You don't become a teacher without having some passion to inspire those you teach. Whether you agree with your teacher or not, you should still respect his personal beliefs and opinions in the rare instances he shows them. I'm sure if you asked him some more questions, especially after class, you could learn a lot and might understand his points.

If the News was accurate, we would have attacked Saudi Arabia after 9/11 - not Iraq.

YouTube Link

Keep in mind that Saudi Arabia also provided "much of the funding for 9/11" Source and that:



And if that still doesn't convince you of any foul play...

Google Video Link

Let's not pounce on the kid too hard. When I was his age I believed that everything my government (and the media) said was true. It was due to lack of experience and lack of knowledge.

B Rad G: The Internet is there to educate you, and your government has been horrific and greedy in its dealings with the Middle east, and particularly Iraq. They estimate that 100,000 civilians have been killed as a result of an invasion by the US that was mostly based on lies. I won't even mention the thousands of American soldiers who have died and/or been forced to kill innocents for corporate greed. Your teacher is probably right about the video, and he is definately right about the way your government is using fear and terror to keep the US population in line and take away your basic freedoms.

The United States has the potential to be a source of goodness and light in the world, but you are not at the moment. It's up to your generation to get active and involved. Get smart and vote carefully.

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B-Rad, While I agree that your teacher should not voice his opinions in the classroom,especially without evidence to back up his claim, it is not illegal or treasonous to voice your opinions about anything. Or at least,it didn't use to be. I agree that you should speak up and ask him questions if you are so inclined. Most teachers are too afraid of punishment to go against the "proscribed state curriculum".

'Tis I, Mista OP. Being seven-hundred some-ought points in the hole, my posting priviledges have been jacked. I won't let 'em keep me down

Seeing how very few recognized the true intentions of this thread, it is my solemn duty to my country and the world to express them in a new thread... which will be up as soon as i get home from work (unless i can finish in the rest of this period).

Mods - have your way with this thread - as you so tend to do.

[edit on 2/8/2008 by Sadet]

Wait until you get to college......haha.

Oh, should I?

Could be too late then..

What do you imply?