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Originally posted by AshleyD
Thanks for doing that for me. Due to being born without fingers, it saved me the trouble of having to type in all the queries by holding a pencil in my mouth to push the keys. Thanks, Dad.
Originally posted by Harte
What, you ain't got no toes?
Originally posted by pierreletrek
Niburu i beleive only has an orbit of around 3,600 years! Also scientists have also stated that Sedna has nothing to do with Niburu.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Also, someone said Nibiru comes around every 3,600 years and was responsible for the ice caps melting. If this is true, has there been any documentation in recorded history outside mythology that it came around again or shouldn't that men it would be due to make another appearance?
Originally posted by Ketzer22
reply to post by whargoul
First off I don't think debunkers "are bad and want to hurt us". Did you not see the posts addressing my comment about "why didn't they make stuff in photoshop if they were so advanced"?
Originally posted by Ketzer22Secondly why did you even bother posting in this thread if you're "so sick and tired of it"? I tend to try to avoid threads that don't interest me, I wish you would've done the same. Shove off, you weren't invited. Sorry we were having a discussion amongst ourselves about the possibilities behind this picture.
Originally posted by Ketzer22Question to Harte- Since when did you become the foremost authority on ancient hieroglyphics and/or sumerian clay texts? Again, you weren't invited to the discussion either, so I don't understand why you felt you HAD to come here and put your two- unappreciated- cents in here.
Originally posted by Ketzer22The attitude of hardcore debunkers is so piss-poor it amazes me. They have to resort to calling people names, trying to make people feel stupid, and derailing threads.
Originally posted by Ketzer22That's probably why your buddy got banned.
Originally posted by Ketzer22 Grow up and come back when you won't throw a tantrum when new people want to discuss a topic they haven't discussed.
Originally posted by Trauma
The preconceived notion that every person interested in the subject of the Sumerians (having advanced knowledge of our solar system) is a die-hard follower of Zecharia Sitchin is completely false.
Originally posted by TraumaI am trying to discuss a different perspective of my own which has NOT been discussed on ATS. Sitchin believed that the Sumerians thought the Sun to be a planet, which I completely disagree on. He also asserts that the Sumerians thought the Moon was a planet, which is an idea I am open to but lean away from.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Originally posted by Harte
What, you ain't got no toes?
Yes but they're the size of Polish sausages. Way too thick to type on the small little keys without all sorts of typos. I'm sticking with my pencil! Don't blame me- they were your genes, Dad!
Originally posted by AshleyD
Originally posted by pierreletrek
Niburu i beleive only has an orbit of around 3,600 years! Also scientists have also stated that Sedna has nothing to do with Niburu.
This is a good point I wanted to make as well.
First, does Nibiru even exist? Most serious scholars say no.
Originally posted by AshleyDAlso, someone said Nibiru comes around every 3,600 years and was responsible for the ice caps melting. If this is true, has there been any documentation in recorded history outside mythology that it came around again or shouldn't that men it would be due to make another appearance?
Originally posted by AshleyDIt kind of sounds like hogwash to me, to be honest.
Originally posted by AshleyDJust curious, though. I'm pretty ignorant on the whole subject.
Originally posted by Trauma
Harte and Mojo, if you think this subject has already been 100% covered than feel free to leave.
Like people who were not yet civilized, the Sumerians saw movement around them as the magic of spirits, magic being the only explanation they had for how things worked. These spirits were their gods, and with many spirits around, the Sumerians believed in many gods - gods that had humanlike emotions. The Sumerians believed that the sun, moon and stars were gods. They believed in a goddess of the reeds that grew around them and in a goddess of the beer that they distilled.
The Sumerians believed that crops grew because of a male god mating with his goddess wife. They saw the hot and dry months of summer, when their meadows and fields turned brown, as a time of death of these gods. When their fields bloomed again in the autumn, they believed their gods were resurrected. They marked this as the beginning of their year, which they celebrated at their temples with music and singing.
The Sumerians could dig into the earth and within a few feet find water. They believed that the earth was a great disk floating on the sea. They called the sea Nammu, and they believed that Nammu was without a beginning in time. They believed that Nammu had created the fish they saw and the birds, wild pigs and other creatures that appeared on the marshy wet lands - a story of creation around two millennia before the Hebrews would put their own story of the creation into writing.
The Sumerians believed that Nammu had created heaven and earth, heaven splitting from earth as being the male god, An, and the earth being a goddess called Ki. They believed that Ki and An had produced a son called Enlil, who was atmosphere, wind and storm. The Sumerians believed that Enlil separated the day from night and that he had opened an invisible shell and let waters fall from the sky. They believed that with his mother, Ki, Enlil set the stage for the creation of plants, humans and other creatures, that he made seeds grow, that he shaped humanity from clay and imbued it, as it states in Genesis 2:7, with "the breath of life."
Early astronomers may have been effective in their time track of the lunar and solar orbits.
To augment tracking the spin and orbital cycles, stick or peg calendars appear to have sometimes been used. Artifacts of certain stick calendars reveal that both orbits (Moon and Sun) may have been measured and metered out through a track of equally-spaced lunar days and solar days.
By accounting for lunar weeks in segmented cycles of 7 lunar weeks (or 7 lunar quarters), early astronomers would inherently have been capable of effectively measuring and metering out the average synodic revolution of the Moon (29.53 days). Likewise, by accounting for a running cycle of 30 days, primitive astronomers would inherently have been capable of effectively measuring and metering out the average annual transit of the Sun (365.24 days).
Sumerians believed that the universe consisted of a flat disk enclosed by a tin dome. The Sumerian afterlife involved a descent into a gloomy netherworld to spend eternity in a wretched existence as a Gidim (ghost).
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Can I ask why you people continue to post these topics if you flat and completely refuse to listen to people who have covered this ground many times and in some cases, have extensive knowledge of hte subject outweighing your own? Doesn't Sitchen have fansites?
Originally posted by Trauma
There are many different translations and interpretations of the Sumerian and Akkadian texts.
As for the Nibiru and its supposed 3600 year orbit, I found a planetoid while reading about Sedna last night that had an orbit that was close to 3600 years but now I am having trouble finding it. Can anyone help me out?
Originally posted by Trauma
A perfect depiction of our heliocentric solar system, with the moon included (the Sumerians considered the Moon a planet).