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Muslims Protest Wikipedia Images of Muhammad

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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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Seems like Freedom of choice and Islam can not coexist, so either choose their way or stick up for your society and country and beliefs, because I don't see many Westerners going to the sandy dry Middle East for a romp at the beach or retirement. But they are comming here and will once the population becomes a certain percentage expect a breakaway or independence and a war within that host nation. The differences are so much that and the notion to overcome infedels and unbelievers is so brainwashed into their beliefs that its invetible as every other country with mixed Muslim faiths falls into terrorism and threats. Europe will experience this and so will the Internet, they are bread to fight anything unIslamic its their laws and their beliefs. Watch the numbers grow and watch the problems being sown.

Political Correctness? Islamaphobia? Not me.




posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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We have certain rights in the US, freedom of religion being one of them.

While you have the freedom to worship as you see fit, you do not have the freedom to compel others to worship as you do, or to accommodate you. You do not have the right to limit other people's freedoms in order to serve you. You do not have the right to expect to be unoffended in your personal beliefs.

Sorry, there's no guarantee of happiness, only the atmosphere and opportunity to pursue it.

In other words, Jews cannot demand that gentiles close their businesses on Saturdays, Christians cannot demand that no alcohol be sold on Sundays, Mormon cannot ban the sale of coffee.

You may recognize your holy day as you see fit, but you may not demand that I follow the tenets of your faith as well.

If 100,000 Muslims are offended by something which is permitted and even promoted in our country (the dissemination of biographical information of historical figures), how many do we accommodate? What if one Muslim is opposed to having any mention of Mohammed? Do we appease them as well and not have any educational material?

Even it is offensive to every Muslim, it should remain.

We should never tolerate the censoring of information, books, images or the writings of others, regardless of whether it offends someone or not. Freedom of expression is not limited to those things only in "good taste" and that is why we have pornogrpahy, bad art, and the ravings of hate groups.

Once you begin limiting one group to appease another, you have set something very dangerous into motion.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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man the cockroaches always come out at any chance they get to insult overseas counterparts.

Firstly this is Fox News, does everyone remember that?
Secondly, an online petition can be signed by the same person a million times. you just gotta vote, delete cookies, vote, delete cookies etc..

You all try to sound intelligent asking for proof of mohammed, but how about proof of this petition is not the same persons?

This is like taking Wikipedia as the only source of proof, and to no surprise Fox is the only taking it seriously.....so far

Ever heard of Rusell Peters?
He had a comedy skit. He was talking about him going to Iraq and these two women were talking in arabic and he found it sexy. Then he wondered where are all the crazy people? So he was joking saying the media makes every muslim look crazy and extreme, it's like reporting on nothing but rednecks in the U.S. having them on TV screaming YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWW, imma go and kill me some [insert minority]

Wake up America, stop hating what is different.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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I'm willing to bet that if their prophet existed today he'd have long since adapted to the modern ways and would be at their picnic, filming his minions of grandchildren on his digicam.

But that's the trouble with following old dead guys, they never get the chance to evolve to tell you "it's all good" and "relax, idjit" because their voices are trapped in a closed canon.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by mmariebored]



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


"Islam" doesn't have a unified position on the subject. Various sects of Islam do...

That brilliant piece of reporting by Fox News cracked me up when it said 'surprisingly, the Iranian/Farsi edition of Wikipedia did not omit the images' - surprising to the nitwits who wrote/researched/published the article, maybe, but anyone who has even a shallow understanding of the subject matter might know that the Wikki page in Farsi is read by Persians (primarily), and Iranian muslims are mostly Shiite, and they don't have nearly so much of a problem with the images. I would have to do about three minutes of research to confirm it, but I suspect the images in question are Persian in origin...

There's nothing that cracks me up quite like religious zealots who have completely lost sight of the tenants of their faith (except maybe reporters who write stories about crap they don't even remotely understand). Sure, it's dangerous and scary, but you have to see the humor in a bunch of nutters running around in circles screaming their heads off about a non-issue spawned by either mistranslation or misinterpretation. It's hilarious...

Really though, 100k people signed the petition. That's, what, less than 1% of the world's muslims? And in all likelyhood, many of the petitioners are probably well-meaning but confused non-muslims; people who think it's politically correct to support the demands of a small minority of whacked out zealots.

In my mind, that begs the question: is the real, shared problem just a lack of understanding? I think so, yes.

I could help it, I had to reply to this directly

Time Lord


Seems like Freedom of choice and Islam can not coexist, so either choose their way or stick up for your society and country and beliefs, because I don't see many Westerners going to the sandy dry Middle East for a romp at the beach or retirement. But they are comming here and will once the population becomes a certain percentage expect a breakaway or independence and a war within that host nation. The differences are so much that and the notion to overcome infedels and unbelievers is so brainwashed into their beliefs that its invetible as every other country with mixed Muslim faiths falls into terrorism and threats. Europe will experience this and so will the Internet, they are bread to fight anything unIslamic its their laws and their beliefs. Watch the numbers grow and watch the problems being sown.


Wow. Just Wow.

Freedom of choice and dogmatic religion cannot co-exist, and yet here we are, in a free nation with freedom of religion. It's a tenuous balance, but we manage.

A war within the host nation, you say? That should be funny.

If this is what keeps you up nights, I suggest you look at the statistics pointing to auto accidents, cancer, heart disease, OTC drug reactions, and unemployment. Those are things you need to worry about.

Do you not understand that every second you spend afraid of the boogeyman is one more second you increase your risk of succumbing to one or more of the valid threats facing the American public as a whole?

Even if the entire country of Iraq moved to America tomorrow, the percentage of muslims here would probably stay under 10%. But you're worried about that, right? You're worried about becoming a minority in your own country? If that's your concern, I think you had better start hating/fearing Latin America instead (not that those drums aren't beating right now too)...

You know, you have more in common with muslims than you might think. Their governments and religious authorities also use scare tactics to manufacture consent and play up the practically non-existent threat of an external enemy to keep their populations controllable. Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

All the while this country becomes increasingly sick, stupid, and polarized (want the figures to prove it?). If you love your country there are things you can do to prove it besides jumping at shadows.

Cheers!




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[edit on 18-11-2008 by WyrdeOne]

[edit on 18-11-2008 by WyrdeOne]



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 12:11 AM
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Muslims are very backward in the way that they think and this is evident in the fact that most Islamic states are little more then failed third world countries.

Muslims look for ways to hate and vent anger in everyway possible. No other culture blows themselves up or kills children like they do. Pathetic.

I realize that this post is generalistic and doesn't take into account the various sects and differences with persians and a dozen other pertinent issues but, the fact remains..Muslims/Islamic extremists are more of a threat than the dreaded NWO.

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posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 01:38 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




the fact remains..Muslims/Islamic extremists are more of a threat than the dreaded NWO.


You're killing me!

For some much-needed perspective, that's like saying jack-o-lanterns are more of a threat than spooky trees!

Terrorism is only effective if the target reacts in the desired manner!

If you're not scared, terrorism fails. So..stop being so scared and we win the war on terrorism!

Do you freakin' get how simple this is?

More people die from Tylenol than terrorism - they can't win by body count alone. The only way terrorism can succeed is if a bunch of wide-eyed terror-stricken people cause chaos and disorder, if they panic and abandon their values and principles and fundamentally change the country. If the target reacts with a resounding 'meh' and get on with their collective life, then the terrorists have not succeeded and cannot succeed.

What you are advising is a reaction akin to a man with a bee in his shirt lighting himself on fire to kill the insect. This is the level of stupidity we're talking about here. Can you dig it?


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
It is pretty well known Islam considers it to be a form of idolatry to show an image of Mohammad.


Exactly. Most people are well aware depictions of Mohammad is offensive to Muslims. Which is probably why they do it.

It's called "sh*t stirring".



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 04:00 AM
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South Park summed this up with one line in an episode from one of their recent seasons. The episode was about Family Guy showing an image of Mohammed and Al Qaeda was going to retaliate if they did so. The entire episode is actually a great testimony to the freedom of speech and how one can't allow themself to be intimidated into giving up their rights.


"Mrs. Garrison: Welcome to Muslim-Sensitivity Training. It is important for us to understand why the Muslim feel the way they do, and why we can never show an image of Mohammed.

Kyle: No, Muslims can't show an image of Mohammed."

Amazingly simple logic, but absolutely correct.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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"Mrs. Garrison: Welcome to Muslim-Sensitivity Training. It is important for us to understand why the Muslim feel the way they do, and why we can never show an image of Mohammed.

Kyle: No, Muslims can't show an image of Mohammed."

Amazingly simple logic, but absolutely correct.


That's perfect and sums up the way I feel. I should be allowed to post a picture of jesus, god, mohammed or allah (please excuse my spelling as always) and perhaps you may believe that I will be punished in the afterlife but you should just ignore me and look the other way unless there are children involved and depending on how offensive I am. But just a mere picture or drawing of a "prophet" or religious figure or god should not provoke a pettition, riot, jihad, death threat, or public protest. That's just amazingly stupid.

This is why the world does not understand muslims in general. They feel that their way is the only way and you must obey islamic law or they feel that they have the right to kill you.

Islam is a terrorist religion and has nothing to do with peace. This goes well beyound fear and ignoring a problem

For example it's like not keeping track of Nazis or the mafia or street gangs. Islam and muslims must be treated the same way you would any dangerous organization, gang, crime family, cult etc.

The difference though is that Muslims actually rule real contries and are in charge of real armies and are at least a billion strong in the world. That should scare anyone.



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