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Bad to Worse: Fifth Undersea Cable Cut in Middle East

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posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
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"Your last article sums up what I have been saying. It is far easier (and in the case of UK law, it is cumpulsory for telco's to co-operate and remain secret) to tap transmissions at network nodes.




Exactly, same as in the USA, and hence the present "Telecom retroactive immunity" offered in the upcoming FISA spying bill before Congress. They already have a FULL SYSTEM tap in-place.

The UK's Independent seems to attribute breaks to...




Thinness,
"The cables are crucial to global communication, but they're only a couple of inches thick and easily damaged. "

Pirates,
"A good example: back in June an 11km section of SEA-ME-WE 3 was stolen and sold as scrap by pirates, leaving residents of Vietnam without internet access."

Astrophysics (-as ATS'rs should be well aware by now that this same principal applies to the current rash of NEO asteroids detected.)
"Isn't this just a case of stories unearthing more stories that would normally go unnoticed?"


www.independent.co.uk...




posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:29 PM
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I had thought the location of all cuts would be close to each other but that seems not the case.
See: en.wikipedia.org...

I also checked Reliance Communications for Press Releases on the repair progress but found nothing on their site.

Dallas



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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Connecting The Dots




It is little known by the American people, but nevertheless true, that Iran intends to open its own Oil Bourse this month


Excellent article here that may in fact do what it says and connect the dots. Make sure and read the entire above article.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:58 PM
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blog.wired.com...



"Cable cuts happen on average once every three days," Beckert said. There are 25 large ships that do nothing but fix cable cuts and bends, Beckert adds.


And this is where the Jimmy Carter is:

www.navy.mil...

It is very likely that we will see more cable breaks.

Cable breaks happen once every three days, on average, according to the source I posted.

Now, what will the reaction on this thread be when cable break numbers hit 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 over the next month or two?

Are you:

A) Going to realise that this is not an anomaly, but is in fact a regular occurence, as backed up by statistics.

B) Cite these breaks as more evidence that someone is purposefully going around cutting the cables in order to further some malevolent goal?



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by BallBreaker
USA most likely did it, cut off the daily Muslim Hackers from busting into the US mainframe. This will send a Message too the Chinese and there hacking Teams too stop messing around in the Pentagon or be CUT...off the internet......


Wouldnt it have just been easier and not to mention cheaper to keep anything sensitive off the internet?

Besides, they are doing them a favour, Iran and China dont want their population accessing sites not under their control on the internet anyway.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Pellevoisin
A clock is ticking for the Skull & Bones boys. They need to invade Iran and get to Persepolis and also to the grave of Cyrus before the current Iranian government floods them in a dam project. After the Skull & Bones boys got what they were looking for in the Great Museum in Baghdad (and other digging in Babylon), they have some Persian bits to gather up on their worldwide scavenger hunt for the honour of Enlil and Lucifer...


Could you explain a little more for me?

I have never got over my instinct that one of the reasons for the invasion of Iraq was the announcement that they had discovered the Tomb of Gilgamesh - since then of course no further news (that I am aware of). It also seems that the US forces wnet out of their way to destroy the Gate of Ishtar and there were allegations from Russian reconnaissance that the US were conductind a dig in Southern Bagdad.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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US forces actually went out of there way to secure the ruins of Babylon, not destroy them in 2003. Considering it was the US marines and not the Army that did the securing, well they arn't exactly archaeologists
I mean they yell and blow up stuff.

If they had not secured the site, looters would of done far worse.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 06:53 PM
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Correct!

Imagine trying to monitor possibly 32 different light channels on one fiber without piercing the cable. Impossible. Even in the repeater. Unless of course the repeater has some hidden functions most do not know about.
I know several of the backdoor entrances to network elements that I have provided technical support on in the past.

This has to have happened in part of the terrestrial network where larger capacity wavelengths are demultiplexed into their subsequent oc-48, ds3, and ds1 carrier levels where monitoring becomes much simpler. I am able to monitor anything at work and know exactly where to look with the wealth of information at my fingertips. All it takes it for someone to sell out and information can be leaked rather easily.

In order to listen to transmissions on an undersea optical cable, the particular light channel would have to be filtered out with some sort of bridging repeater device so as to not break continuity of the original signal, and would then have to be split into it's sts (electrical signal equivalents), the overhead extracted and then the t-3, and t-1 subrate channels split out. This is currently impossible underwater, and cannot be done without causing disruption to the cable to the best of my knowledge.

Someone posted a diagram of what the cable is made of. This is pretty accurate for the most part. How does one pierce armor like that without destroying the fragile strands underneath it?

One of the questions I have is whether it was the whole cable cut, or was it just the repeater strands that send power the whole length of the cable to the actual signal repeaters (amplifiers).

See, there aren't many lasers that can make it across distances this vast without the signal fading and losing integrity and it must be sampled and repeated to maintain the levels. This would be the best place to try and tap the cable, but would still be impossible since it is amplifying the entire laser and not individual channels riding the laser, and any operation would probably be exposed.

I am going to stand firm that any monitoring would be done on land knowing what I know, and that these cuts were deliberate and not something volcanic in origin. These cables are also designed to move with the bottom and typically avoid dynamic topographical features. There is far too much coincidence in how many cuts are being reported.

One last point to ponder.

This Government "Domestic Spying Program" would cover monitoring of international cable facilities on US soil which at that point are "domestic" in nature.

Just some thoughts.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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Maybe this is far fetched thinking, but......
Remember a couple of months ago, when one of our ships was in Iran area, and they tried to make it sound, like a boat of Iranians with a nasty message was coming towards it? Then, few days later, The Iranians denied it, and said it was United states trying to provoke an incident..... i read all this, in our local world news.
Maybe, since our government didnt get teh war they wanted with them ( Iranians) now their gunna mess with them, cut the cables as revenge, or some kinda further provoction?



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS


This is completely bizarre and has to be intentional. Something or someone is severing undersea cables and no one wants to talk about it. Hmm.

www.dailytech.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Yes and WIRED magazine (Zionist/Neocon spinrag) says it no big deal happens all the time- not to worry:blog.wired.com...

They came out with this a little too fast! What's even funnier is this response lost the rag a huge chunk of net junkie demographics. From Digg.com to Crooks and Liars- wired has been getting hammered with alternative netsters revealing their Zionist publishers and Zionist owned subsidiaries.

Finally- the whitewash is is being exposed rather than the typical Zionist spin of getting everyone against each other.

www.erichufschmid.net...

If anyone is unfamiliar with Zionism the last link is a good place to begin. I highly recommend it as Zionists have actually been the cause of every war since at least 1650 and likely longer than that.

[edit on 7-2-2008 by dk3000]



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 01:50 AM
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Something is up. I haven't heard anything to point me in a specific direction, but this is just too fishy. I expect to see something dramatic fairly soon.........



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 01:51 AM
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posted this in another thread.

but aol news is puttin the scare out.

85 Million in Middle East without internet



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 02:15 AM
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Well good for them, at least someone still reports news. I have had enough Yellow journalist crap about Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, and Heath Ledger.



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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I don't suppose anyone might have posted or considered this yet as a possible reason for the cable cuts?

www.pcworld.com...


CIA Says Hackers Have Cut Power Grid
Several cities outside the U.S. have sustained attacks on utility systems and extortion demands.

Criminals have launched online attacks that disrupted power equipment in several regions outside of the U.S., he said, without identifying the countries affected. The goal of the attacks was extortion, he said.

"We have information, from multiple regions outside the United States, of cyber intrusions into utilities, followed by extortion demands," he said in a statement posted to the Web on Friday by the conference's organizers, the SANS Institute. "In at least one case, the disruption caused a power outage affecting multiple cities. We do not know who executed these attacks or why, but all involved intrusions through the Internet."


Since the article goes on to state that the FERC just approved new reliability standards for cyber security, could it be that these cuts were made to simply secure the US power grid before any of these hackers gets a chance do hack into US systems?

This was originally posted at ATS recently:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I don't suppose anyone might have posted or considered this yet as a possible reason for the cable cuts?


CIA Says Hackers Have Cut Power Grid
Several cities outside the U.S. have sustained attacks on utility systems and extortion demands.[...]

"We do not know who executed these attacks or why, but all involved intrusions through the Internet."


[...] could it be that these cuts were made to simply secure the US power grid before any of these hackers gets a chance do hack into US systems?


I think the objective of the CIA releasing that info is part of a campaign to start demonizing the internet, that most likely is linked to this (another thread).

The information released by the CIA is vague at best, and for all we know it could've been exaggerated or made up. Wouldn't be the first time.

And the alleged attacks were not on US soil nor directed at US assets. How would this give the US any authority to cut cables of private companies in the Middle East and Asia, leaving millions of foreign citizens without telecommunications and internet access? And even if it was directed at US assets still wouldn't have given the right to do such a thing.

Although I doubt this would be the reason for the cable cuts.


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[edit on 8-2-2008 by danx]



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by merryxmas
I somehow don't think Iran would shoot themselves in the foot on the eve of a paradigm change in the way oil is sold. I think it's more likely that the American investors in these private oil companies are behind this.


Iran has been collectively shooting itself in the foot since 1979. Their ruling class of Koran-thumping fascists want to keep their country clean and pure from such "Western decadence" as the Internet.



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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Why not a powerful international conspiracy of hypocritical Luddite / Unabomber types with their own fleet of submarines? Thjeir mission is to save the poor suffering third world from the evils of white male technology (such as the Internet), and to make sure the third world stays "unspoiled" - i.e. full of starvation and malaria.



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Amaxium

Exactly, the terrorist use the internet for research and communications. They would not want to be severed from this.

There is also the possibility of "He who must not be named." This thread could be an insight to the culprut
Pentagon: The internet needs to be dealt with as if it were an "enemy weapons system"

Coincidence, I don't think so.


My thoughts exactly. If anyone is cutting the cables purposely, I think it is far more likely to be the US or a friend of ours. Just too coincidental, and why on Earth would the terrorists want to cut off their own best means for communication? Who would most benefit from them having to use more "traceable" means of communication?

Edit: I think I will retract that. Most of the people affected seem to be our "buddies" in the area, and that certainly builds an argument for an "enemy" of ours doing the damage. If "our guys" were doing it, the only possible reason I can come up with would be a set up to give us an excuse to go in after Iran. (ie: Pin the blame on them and either go in ourselves or incite someone else to) Which is not too far fetched. They take all those polls "Do you think TERRORISTS are cutting the cables?" to get a feel for public opinion, it is feasible that this is just another attempt to gather public support for going into Iran. Since there little "help us we are being threatened by a little speedboat" attempt at gathering such support was not successful.

Secondly, you would not need a torch to cut those cables. There are "cable cutters" that any one in the business of laying or repairing cable would have access to. Such as this one from Greenlee,

www.toolup.com...

which we had several of on the last job I worked. They arent hard to get at all. And that is only one type. They dont have to be hydraulic, there is a huge variety.

Also, according to Wikipedia, and they may or may not be the most reliable depending on your personal view, Iran doesnt seem to be very affected by the cable cuts.

en.wikipedia.org...

There is a good graphic that shows who is affected. Just so we can let go of certain theories, like the possibility that Iran cut them to cut off access to the internet for their own people, or that the US cut them to cut off terrorists from Iran. It looks like both of those theories are incorrect by definition. It appears Iran hasnt been cut off at all, and the initial report that it was was mistaken.

Also, the graphic shows where geographically the damaged cables are, and it would seem to me that the plate movement theory would seem less plausible in light of that information. The affected cables are in such different locations, that while it is still possible, it looks unlikely.

Someone asked "who would benefit?"

Well, enemies of our friends would benefit directly, by disrupting their economy. But friends of our friends would benefit obliquely if they can make a good case for it being Iran who is responsible, giving us or someone else a reason to go after them. We will be able to ascertain who is really going to benefit when we see what move the US govt. makes in light of this.



[edit on 8-2-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 01:39 PM
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At least we are getting some official reports now.Kinda contradicts what the Egyptians have said re: no shipping being in the area 12 hours prior to the breakage/cut though.


A ship's anchor lying at the bottom of the sea was behind one of two cuts last week in undersea internet cables around the Middle East, the cable-owner company has said. FLAG Telecom said its repair ship managed to recover one end of the cut FALCON cable in the Persian Gulf, 35 miles north of Dubai, between the Emirates and Oman.



ukpress.google.com...

[edit on 8-2-2008 by juggle]



posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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Hello.

Imho, if the towers can be brought down by the multi-faceted applications of DEW's, then surely cables are as much as a 'soft target'.

The backs of the 'Network' are against the wall in ways they'd never admit, & they're most definately cranking up the dial with regards to scalar, ELF, HAARP, THEL, HERF, PEP, MIRACL, Marauder, Medusa, etc.

The NWO/NSA-created Web is no longer serving their purposes.

AmeriKKKa's raring to go with their STAFFED & OPERATIONAL concentration camps.

When people REALLY start gathering in MASSIVE GLOBAL PROTEST, after being empowered with the truth of Aryan Supremacists/NWO collaborators slaughtering children for entertainment in child-snuff theme rooms at Bohemeian Grove (Gee..., I wonder why Alex Jones doesn't mention those?), the VMADS will be rolling out into the PUBLIC SECTOR, if they haven't been already, in a covert manner (helicopters/planes high overhead).



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