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Ex Area 51 Employee - Lets try this again

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posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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reply to post by Chakotay
 


Chakotay, he could just buy a Sectional chart and answer your question easily, since he did mention he's a pilot....or he could get the same info from a WAC ...




posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:31 AM
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Like I said before zx4551 is a complete liar. As someone who lives in Nevada and has a lot of experience observing area 51. I can prove to all of you that zx4551 is just looking for attention. If zx has the balls to read this I have some direct questions for him pertaining to the base. The info I will ask is basically PUBLIC knowledge among anyone familiar with the security protocol required at area 51. So zx4551 are you up for it?

FYI

Area 51 is nothing more than a top secret AFB for the development, design and testing of reconnaissance(like the SR-71) and tactical aircraft (bombers and fighters). It also recently has been facilitated for biological and chemical weapons training. Its remoteness was selected because it makes it easy to control who sees what and for the flatness of the lakebed which made an excellent runway. It also has perfect terrain for mock chemical attack training. Recently a few select fire departments from California and Nevada were trained there in the event of a chemical attack.

The reason for the high level of security is most likely (and this is my educated guess, a very educated guess) because of the chemicals used and how they dispose of the hazardous waste as well as radioactive waste. Since the powers that run area 51 feel they are above the law and above the Government for that matter, they feel as if they can burn or use hazardous chemicals to their hearts desire. I am guessing if the powers in Washington knew about the use of the agents at area 51 and the potential hazard to the employees It would be shut down in a day. That is the main reason for such tight security. Another reason for the tight security is the fact that if they release info about a new top secret aircraft, its considered a federal crime, so no one says anything. They just do their job and go home. Employees are not even allowed to mutter one word in fear of being "relieved" of their job and stripped of their pension and face jail time.

Sorry kids but it has nothing to do with aliens or reptilians or Bob Lazar's publicity stunt about UFO's or "anti gravity".

[edit on 7-2-2008 by luxor311]



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by coven
I'm calling BS on the O.p. and ne-one (who "works" at area 51).

Anybody who has researched this topic AT ALL knows one thing for a fact. THERE IS NOTHING "Top Secret" at area 51. It was all moved in 1997. I believe to a Base in North Dakota or Colorado (forgive me... it's been so long since I've gone on this 'disinfo' trail that I can't recall exactly which base. (minot would be a good guess though...)

Yeah, some experimentation still goes on in Area 51... but the good stuff has long since gone. So unless your leaking government secrets (friggin traitor!) about new aircraft designs... your in over your head.

ta-ta...


Coven


If nothing "Top Secret" is going on at Groom Lake/Area 51 then why is it soo protected? Ever seen the surveilance stuff they use that's all over the place out there?

If everything that's been done there is gone and has been moved, they would have no reason to still keep the security as tight as it is. They know when you're coming before you even do


Also, you try to come off as an expert on Area 51 and mentioned that it moved. You're referring to the Popular Science article from June 1997 (I believe) where they said it moved to the Green River missle complex in Utah. That article was written very poorly and contained all kinds of errors. Go find a copy of that article and look at how the writer, Jim Wilson, had absolutely no idea what he was talking about when it came to Area 51. He said he found the back gate to Area 51 and it wasn't even guarded. The gate he found has nothing to do with Area 51



Like I said before zx4551 is a complete liar. As someone who lives in Nevada and has a brother stationed at Nellis Air Force Base. I can prove to all of you that he is just looking for attention. If zx has the balls to read this I have some direct questions for him pertaining to the base? So zx4551 are you up for it? I am here waiting to make a fool of you.


What's with the attitude? There's no reason to call anyone a fool. Should I remind you that you haven't proved anything you say either?

If you do have a brother there, that doesn't mean he knows anything about Area 51 simply because he's at the Nellis Air Force Base.

Until you can prove that you have a brother there who seems to know all the details of Area 51 and will happily share them, you're in the same category as zx and no_one.

[edit on 7-2-2008 by nightmare_david]



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 02:18 AM
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Why stop it?

Black Holes created in a similar manner here on earth in public labs last millionths of a second and are atomic in size.

Lets assume it does not dissolve (yes, Black Holes can dissolve).

If you take a black hole with the mass you are talking of...it will pass through earth, become our core[being the densest most mass-per-area material on earth] and no one will know of it. The rate micro-black holes consume matter on the atomic scale is not even a threat. The sun would explode sooner than mass of Earth could fall entirely into this hole. Being is, the event horizon is the size of a quark.

The black holes we all know and fear, have event horizons on the scale of mile or less...with the mass of a star or higher.

Super massive black holes suck in immense amounts of matter and they themselves are immensely defense. Their event horizon is much much larger. Their masses are on the order of thousands to millions of solar mass.

Black holes have everything to do with mass, because it is their mass that involves their gravity, and their gravity that pulls more mass.

The black hole that could form from a collapsing portal, even with all the human intervention and potential stellar matter, could not, and would not, form a black hole large enough be a threat.


No, the real threat is the vibrations. If what you said is true, and the vibrations link portals. Then there are an infinite number of potential and existing portals. Multi-verse and our universe + one set of vibrations = infinite number of entrances/exits.

Which, theoretically, means an infinite number of other species that might be able to interfere with us.

Thats all theory of course, if you really want to know more about what I am saying, I suggest looking at a local university library at books about black holes, quantum mechanics for non-science types, and also googling about this subject.



I'm not worried at all to be honest, if they screw up, so what...but just saying, if they are doing this...theres an infinite number of ways it could and could not go wrong. Thus, the future is not set, we can't worry over everything.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 02:36 AM
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first off let me say thank you for coming forth and answering the questions we have. now for my set of questions:

what I wanna know is how much access does the president have in these matters? who or what were the men in black and are they still around? does the goverment know anything about this mothman creature?
also does the goverment know what causes the bermuda triangle?
does the navy have anything like area 51 cause people have reported seeing uso's and I figure some of e might be navy. and for my final question why did the goverment assassinate jfk?



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
Can we all agree to just stop pestering with silly questions? I know, the 2012 issue is 'important' to some...but only to some.
[edit on 6-2-2008 by weedwhacker]


By silly questions I thought you were referring to the post above yours where it was asked if zx4551 had copy/pasted his concerns about the future. For him to actually answer that question would be a waste of pixels.

As for 2012, you assume the question involves an EOTW scenario, when in fact zx4551 previously posted this is the proposed completion date for the project he described.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:03 AM
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Hello

My question, what do you know about other secret bases ? Dulce etc, and about the rumors that there would be aliens living underground in some caves or something like that ? I dont believe that the earth would be hollow


And what do you know about tube-shuttles, and the Navajo Dam, which is says to be the Dulce Base's main source of power.

And does the word Bechtel (BECK-tul) mean anything to you ?

Thank you


[edit on 7-2-2008 by Lightunseen]



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:10 AM
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What's with the attitude? There's no reason to call anyone a fool. Should I remind you that you haven't proved anything you say either?

If you do have a brother there, that doesn't mean he knows anything about Area 51 simply because he's at the Nellis Air Force Base.

Until you can prove that you have a brother there who seems to know all the details of Area 51 and will happily share them, you're in the same category as zx and no_one.

[edit on 7-2-2008 by nightmare_david]




nightmare read my reply I will ask him questions that are basically PUBLIC knowledge which I can easily prove about area 51. My brother, I agree that I cannot prove that but the majority of the pilots at Nellis have a very, very good Idea of what goes on there. Its not so super secret to the people close to area 51 whats its purpose is.. And why the attitude? because its guys like zx that bring the integrity is ATS down when they mislead people here with bogus claims.........so come on zx are you up for it?

[edit on 7-2-2008 by luxor311]



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:19 AM
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ZX

From your first post... "A good area of discussion would be how to stop this device. "

If you work there, you could point us in the right direction on how, if in anyway, this could be stopped.

If "the powers that be" want this, we mere mortals have no way at all of stopping it, thinking otherwise will only get people hurt.

Other members here have put in a lot of thought to your fears, and have many questions, some of which you will not, or can not answer, but give them all a good try please.

btw. Iam reading a few things up on the theory of Black Holes, and I am avidly waiting for your replys to above questions.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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yeah yeah yeah... Throw stones at another person interested in the topic.

Look... TOO ALL ATS MEMBERS... IF you bite on this TRASH.... you'll believe anything. P.T. Barnum has a age old adage that is perfect for describing you.

If you want to waste your time chasing the False Flag programs go ahead.

Me... I'm interested in the real deal. Not what the Government puts out to throw us off the trail.

Area 51 is a dead zone. It's an aircraft testing facility. Think what you want.
I KNOW ex-military who helped to reverse engineer those crafts 50 years ago. His comment on it is this. They're not at Area 51 anymore. PERIOD.
If you buy into this, I've got some ocean front property in TN you should look into, IT'S A STEAL!!!



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:39 AM
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Welcome back


Hm, makes me wonder...Why only here? I mean..US..and not a world contributed project? like..engineers/heavy hitters from all around in with the project wormhole. or did i not read something all the way?

and

Did sleeper make a new name?



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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I have only one question... and this one can go to either employee of Area 51...

It will mean nothing to most... but it will satisfy me as to who is telling the truth


Above the door to S-4 there is a 'symbol'... can you please tell me what it is?

Thanks



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 03:58 AM
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You guys need to watch more PBS! They did a whole NOVA on the LHC, a complete tour, and everything


I think it was NOVA, anyway.....might have been that rocket scientist guy, though.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by zx4551
If these portals are stretched and the anti-grav devices fail it is theorised that the rip in spacetime will be too big to be dissolved by gravity and will instead become a black hole.

There is a danger that these portals can become unstable and cause black holes.


Not quite right! Your basic facts are incorrect. Black holes are staples of science fiction and many think astronomers have observed them indirectly. But according to physicists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and published in Nature magazine, these awesome breaches in space-time do not and indeed cannot exist.

Black holes are based on purely theoretical assumptions. Did Einstein himself believe in them? No!


Neither the layman nor the specialist, in general, has any knowledge of the historical circumstances underlying the genesis of the idea of the Black Hole. The historical record clearly demonstrates that the Black Hole has been conjured up by a combination of confusion, superstition and ineptitude and is sustained in widespread suppression of facts, both physical and theoretical.
Stephen Crothers – A Brief History Of Black Holes.
www.ptep-online.com...


It is easily proved that the relativist claims for black holes are false - entirely inconsistent with General Relativity. Here…

So your contention is fundamentally flawed to begin with. If you have the time and inclination, then read the links I’ve provided. Spreading falsehoods and trying to create alarm by tacitly implying that the world may be sucked into a Black Hole if the experiment went awry is disingenuous to say the least. How can you base the probable results on something that is patently false or non existent?

And you have yet to answer my question I had posed in my previous post a couple of pages back. Or do you not have the answer to that simple non technical question? Why?

Cheers!


More...



[edit on 7-2-2008 by mikesingh]



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by nightmare_david
If nothing "Top Secret" is going on at Groom Lake/Area 51 then why is it soo protected? Ever seen the surveilance stuff they use that's all over the place out there?

If everything that's been done there is gone and has been moved, they would have no reason to still keep the security as tight as it is. They know when you're coming before you even do




except for the top secret/experimental TERRESTRIAL CRAFT that we are developing/experimenting at area 51 still. Top Secret as in COVERT. as in ALIEN... as IN UFOS... NO GO... Moved elsewhere... starting in the 70's.

Terrestrial craft are nothing special... but they are still secret.



Also, you try to come off as an expert on Area 51 and mentioned that it moved. You're referring to the Popular Science article from June 1997 (I believe) where they said it moved to the Green River missle complex in Utah. That article was written very poorly and contained all kinds of errors. Go find a copy of that article and look at how the writer, Jim Wilson, had absolutely no idea what he was talking about when it came to Area 51. He said he found the back gate to Area 51 and it wasn't even guarded. The gate he found has nothing to do with Area 51



You would be incorrect. Where did I say I was an Expert on Area-51? also... NO i have NOT read the popular mechanics article as it is BUNK. I didn't say Utah did I? I said Colorado... or North Dakota... My Information comes from a LONG TIME (50+ years) family friend who is traceably a former employee of Area-51. Look you people can believe whatever you want.

THAT'S YOUR ISSUE... But I prefer to believe information for sources that are willing to Validate themselves... When your grandmother tells you it's true... and you see documentation that the person lived in Nevada (and was in the Military at the time) for 20 years (1950ish to 1970ish), as well as their direct statements that they "reverse Engineered Non-terrestrial Craft" for the Government, who would you choose to believe? A New member who says "trust me" or a family friend who says "I'll prove it... See" while showing documents that prove they spent time where they claim to have spent time when they claim to have been their? If you people want to buy it... go ahead.

you just prove Barnum Right "there's a sucker born every minute".

I'm officially done with this crap. waste your time derailing the thread with someone else who wants you to avoid wasting your time. (to all of you who have some sort of bone to pick over my comments on this GARBAGE thread)

Until the O.P. shows Proof of Employment... s/he's a LIAR. it's called basic logic. No Proof... No Truth...

Coven OUT!



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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mikesingh
Please read... hubblesite.org...

or this...

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov...
thank you



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by Freelancer
You live on a large, wooded island, you share this island with many people. You have the knowledge to make a fire, which will help to keep you warm at nights, cook your food, provide a fire that can be seen by your rescuers etc etc.

Do you..

A. Take the 'risk' of making a fire which, if not properly looked after, 'could' engulf the whole island and kill everyone living on it.

B. Not use this knowledge knowing the risk is too great of the fire spreading throughout the island.
[edit on 6/2/2008 by Freelancer]


I'd pick:

C. Build a raft(maybe two, one for observation) upon which to test this new incendiary technology offshore.


Personally I loved this story. It reminded me of Dan Simmons' novels Ilium and Olympos wherein Paris has been reduced to a gigantic hole in the ground after we tested the creation of a singularity in an unnamed lab. Google maps says Geneva is only 540km from Paris, and that's driving, not as the crow flies.

Please don't misunderstand, I do not intend to marginalize the OP's testimony by comparing it to fiction. I just like it when hard sci-fi turns out to be harder than I thought.

I thought a proton/anti-proton interaction results in mutual annihilation and a direct matter->energy conversion. I would imagine that any difference in velocity would simply result in the inelastic collision's kinetic energy sum being added to the overall reaction energy. In any case, we're talking about an enormous amount of energy, which I suppose could somehow be directed into the creation of a singularity, but then again I thought a black hole was just really dense matter. It seems to me that in order to manufacture a micro-singularity you'd want to pack as much regular matter(or anti-matter, but not both) into as small a space as possible and cross your fingers. If this is the case then you'd want to collide, oh, I don't know, a large hadron with another similarly large hadron, not it's anti-matter companion.

My question is then why seek a large energy density when in fact you want a large material density?

[edit on 7-2-2008 by Zelun]



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 05:34 AM
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Where are the science heads at ATS who can debunk this? Reading a little bit about the LHC from, well, checking *their* sources, this seems a little worrisome judging from the title of the pdf (11 pages) in 1999:

"Will relativistic heavy-ion colliders destroy our planet?"


Safety concerns

Concerns have been raised that performing collisions at previously unexplored energies might unleash new and disastrous phenomena. These include the production of micro black holes, and strangelets. Such issues were raised in connection with the RHIC accelerator, both in the media[13][14] and in the scientific community [15]; however, after detailed studies, scientists reached such conclusions as "beyond reasonable doubt, heavy-ion experiments at RHIC will not endanger our planet"[16] and that there is "powerful empirical evidence against the possibility of dangerous strangelet production" [17]. One simple argument against such fears is that collisions at these energies (and higher) have been happening in nature for millennia without hazardous effects, as Ultra-high-energy cosmic rays impact Earth's atmosphere and other bodies in the universe[18]. CERN's review concludes, after detailed analysis, that "there is no basis for any conceivable threat" from strangelets, black holes, or monopoles [19][20] . Another study was commissioned by CERN in 2007 for publication on CERN's web-site by the end of 2007.



Micro Black Holes

Although the Standard Model of particle physics predicts that LHC energies are far too low to create black holes, some extensions of the Standard Model posit the existence of extra spatial dimensions, in which it would be possible to create micro black holes at the LHC [21][22][23] at a rate on the order of one per second. According to the standard calculations these are harmless because they would quickly decay by Hawking radiation. The concern is that Hawking radiation (which is still debated [24]) is not yet an experimentally-tested phenomenon, and so micro black holes might not decay as rapidly as calculated, and accumulate inside the earth and eventually devour it.


"Large Hadron Collider" (Wiki/CIA)

So, it seems like the only concern w/ the OP is this Hawking theory, which deals w/ 'radiating black holes':


To confirm the existence of Hawking radiation, we would need (not only
observations), but reliable models of what radiating black holes would actually look like. We are at present limited in our understanding of how to construct such models, as they require the study of non–linear, realistic, quantum field theory at high temperatures. This is a very difficult technical problem, but it does not require the resolution of foundational issues. To show that black holes did not radiate, we would need to detect the holes, or to have strong indirect evidence of their existence, as well as to show that they do not radiate. At present we are far from doing this. The possibility should be taken
seriously, however. Black holes are attractive dark–matter candidates. Primordial black holes present as halo objects could conceivably be detected by microlensing (Minty et al 2001). If one could get a lower bound on the number of black holes in this or a similar way, and get an incompatible upper bound from gamma–ray observations or cosmology, one might be able to rule out black–hole radiation experimentally.


"Do black holes radiate?" (80 page pdf)

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posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 05:35 AM
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Here's something interesting for you people to check out, so I guess it's no secret anymore that they're really are thinking about it. My visit next year at CERN will be an interesting one if we survive it till then
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www.thesun.co.uk...



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 05:43 AM
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Thanks Lyrian! That's what it is - just theory!!
I hope you read my links on the subject and the hundreds of equations that prove that Black Holes are a myth!

Cheers!



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