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Ex Area 51 Employee - Lets try this again

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posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 11:33 AM
Guys and Gals,
If you stop and think for a moment, there is no way the OP is going to prove to you that he does what he says, or works where he works.

What would you seriously want for proof?
An I9 form? It could be photoshopped.
A picture of the inside of A51? Could be the inside of any military base.
Answer Specific questions? The base is Top Secret so anything could be fabricated.

After a long line of interrogation, like "Whats the symbol above the door?", or any other questions we throw at him, are we any closer to knowing if its true or not?
The truth is we're helpless when people like this come long. We can ask any question, or for any "proof" we see fit, but we can never get it. How would we? Anything he could know might be from a friend or a family member, or might be fabricating the entire story. He also might be telling the truth. We don't have the luxury of finding out.

By the same token, the people who think they really know what Area 51 is about are just as full of it as they think this guy is. The same goes for people who THINK nothing is going on there. I'm not saying there is or isn't but thats the point. We DO NOT know.

Ask any question you like. Anything.
His answer can be true, or a lie. Only he can know.
Anything that can be argued as to whats on the base, what goes on at the base or what they had for lunch yesterday in the cafeteria is flexible because in the end, the base is Top Secret, right?

Someone said it best. Zx is a decent storyteller.
Wether fact or fiction, its a fun read.

Just relax and enjoy the show.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 11:46 AM
zx4551 is S4 real? Simple question. And is there a more top secret place?

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 11:48 AM
reply to post by kthulu

ZX, if you're still around. Thanks. If not...

In my opininon, it may be possible to determine whether or not ZX is telling the truth about everything or nothing. We would need one piece of information to determine so. First, what are a few facts we know:

1. We know that ZX came out and described a potential event that he was afraid of for humankind.

2. While there was a physics paper published in October by two Russians that described the possibility of a time machine at LHC within months, the news of that generally came out as a story after ZX started posting.

3. ZX said that the protonproton collision was a cover for a protonantiproton experiment, which, IMO, would make sense as it should release both the impact energy and the energy of the particle destruction.

I submit that if 4 is true, meaning that if we learn that they are doing this time machine experiment with a protonanti-proton particle pair, then he is almost certainly telling the truth. If false, then he is a hoaxer.

[edit on 10-2-2008 by lifestudent]

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 12:21 PM
just wondering what all the fuss is about?

'Antiprotons are routinely produced at Fermilab for collider physics operations in the Tevatron, where they are collided with protons. The use of antiprotons allows for a higher average energy of collisions between quarks and antiquarks than would be possible in proton-proton collisions. This is because the valence quarks in the proton, and the valence antiquarks in the antiproton, tend to carry the largest fraction of the proton or antiproton's momentum.'

and it happens all the time in this universe, anti protons could not externally miss protons.

[edit on 10-2-2008 by theukbloke]

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 12:23 PM
Interesting that the time line for this coincides with the Mayan Doomsday timeline. There is also a mathematical formula that has explained historical events in the human timeline and as 2012 it ceases to work.

Last interesting related piece of news is that time travel is just a step away and that the time tale again is 2012.

My references are

Of course this is the internet but it is still interesting none the less.

Live everyday as if it was your last.

God Bless us all


posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 12:39 PM
time travel will never be possible in the sense that we can go forwards or backwards as matter - what will be done in 2010 is a time transmission that has been played in 1988 - i know cos i saw it, and so did millions of others in the uk, it was a 30 second interruption on normal analog tv. it was bbc so it was not an advert and had no real message other than we will be ok and it was the first time transmission to be attempted. maybe a hoax who knows? it seem very real to me with graphics and other image effects that seemed to be too good and easy for technology of the time.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 01:17 PM
Imagine if we all were actually interested in the original topic posted by the OP.

Perhaps we would look for an effective exchange and make manifest such an event through direct, concise, brief inquiries into the actual original topic.

I (and most likely he) would not have to skim through 15 pages of rhetoric, opinion, disingenuous accusatory statements and general BS to arrive at constructive information that could be much more easily accessible to us all.

I don't care who he is, what his credentials are, what his background is or whether he chooses to justify himself or not.

I care about what it is that he has willingly come here to share. I will form my opinions of his authenticity in spite of hearing yours.

With that said I have a question:

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 01:29 PM

Originally posted by no_one817
I'm not trying to hijack anything. Let me explain why I chose to come to this thread. Very simple. You guys ahve sat through hoax after hoax, to be disappointed so many times that unless the person tells you some end of the world story that can only be ended by will smith jumping in a ufo, you wont believe the poster.

Im not claiming this for all of you. But some, and understandably, have been jaded because of hoaxers. Now Once again, you have someone offering you some elaborate story about time travel and such. I have never called his claims a hoax, but I am calling the person one. Why avoid simple answers. On my thread Ive tried to answer everything from the mundane coke machine to three orange lights on the sky( that might of been a u2u).

I have given my position, I doubt zx can even tell us when he takes a janet to gl. Yes it is a bit of an ego thing, I will admit. But not cause I want to be the only employee here. Thats not at all why. I feel that you guys should at least be privy to the facts.

Fact: I have answered every question to the best of my knowledge

Fact: I have been as open as possible with the ATS staff. Sometimes one can you scared of being caught as a nice blanket to avoid questions. You can ask our friendly mod who has been viewing this thread on my openness.

Fact: I have given my position

Fact: I don't claim to know all the juicy stuff, but has anyone thought that is because I am telling the truth? Since when is the absence of some information a guilty sentence?

Fact: I just told everyone about an incident involving a white magnum, a security breach I was made aware of as my las vacation ended. This has been verified as truth.

Fact: This person has avoided my questions every time posed to him, why?

You made your points clear about your argument on zx's last post. You started your own thread because of zx's original post. Why are you back re-visiting this when zx hasnt made any attempts to crash your post and discredit what you are claiming? The fact is, many of us have repeatedly asked you questions that either you dont know or you keep making convenient "mistakes", which is really odd for someone who "supposedly" holds the postion you do. Do us a favor and concentrate your focus on clearing up the dark areas of your claims, and leave us to decide if zx's accounts are plausible or just a mirror image of your claims.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 01:32 PM
post by no_one817

Are you on another mission to hijack the thread? You made your feelings very clear on this OPs last thread, no need to do it again. Just go back to your own and field your questions.

I'm telling you, it almost sounds as if no_one has been trying to locate and capture zx.

My thoughts exactly!

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 02:17 PM
I know that there is so much disinformation floating around that I take it all with a grain of salt. However, The Area 51 group...ALL of them have no idea what that are fooling with. Long story short and it supports what you say is the following.....its a true story beyond your wildest imagination even now....

The book you need to get and will identify with are two......"Nephilim Stargates: The Year 2012 and the Return of the Watchers" by Thomas R. Horn. The second book to get to follow the references is the King James Version of the Bible.......what you are saying is directly supported by both these two books. Your testimony just told us how its going to be accomplished.......Their efforts are opening up dimensions to what is referred to as the Hell Dimension and will unleash the most evil entities that you can imagine. This is Scifi.....true story.

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posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 03:02 PM
Problem is i'm in the know but i'm still an outsider, I just had the right sources and this was mainly due to luck of the draw but I still rely on 3rd party information for the most part.

I am very much in John Lear's situation that I can say all I want but I can't proof it without a shadow of a doubt.

I am nothing special and I couldn't proof anything with credentials but I can definitly give my informed opinion about things.

I do know there are no clearence levels that even remotely sound like 'advanced level 3' atleast no conventional clearence level, esspecially for military personnel like a "high ranking pilot"...and if he was high-ranking, then why in the hell didn't he have access to the aliens? high-ranking to me is atleast a major or lt colonel.

I think this is classical misinformation.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 03:05 PM
as for the black holes being a danger, they are not. There is a size limit at which black holes tend to diminish and disappear. They have to be substantially massive in order to maintain or grow in size. The size we are talking about here in the labs, will be so incredibly far from that limit and yes, they will evaporate very very quickly. Nothing to worry about there.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 04:04 PM
link much of a role does HAARP play in the generation of energy....and opening the Portals.............??

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posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 04:35 PM
reply to post by tgambill

As I understand it from the information about the LHC time-travel related experiment being planned, none.

It does seem that they will most likely use a proton-antiproton collision, and to the poster saying this has been done before, never at the energies possible with the LHC. I don't have verification that it will not be proton-proton, but as I've recently learned, at the energy levels expected, there shouldn't be much difference. As a result, it is more likely a simplification than a "cover story", and we will need to look for something else in ZX's claims for 100% verification. So far, this one is seeming to check out.

This experiment is new territory, and the claims of possible time travel are being made by very serious, respected physicists. If it works, we may hear nothing or our world may change very quickly. We only have max of a few months to find out what happens in the first phase on this one.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 05:34 PM
Just joined today. I was turned on to this by a friend on another site. Got me to join when he suggested I watch the ENDGAME documentary.

Real quick....this "z" fella is easily debunked.

I served in the marines for a number of years. (MEU, SOC)

MOS 9953

And am an HRP

Those who know, will know the meanings of the letters.

In order to have access to high risk areas of the millitary and special projects, one MUST be of a certain rank. (example....a private would never be a guard at hangar 18) you catch my drift.

I really haven't had a whole lot of time to read the entire thread, and I apologize if this has already been asked.....

So "z" What was your rank, and MOS? Where was your basic training? EASY questions to answer without divulging too much info.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 05:37 PM
that could never happen. the most that would happen is that a perfectly round vacuum would form as the black hole sucked up area 51 and the surrounding desert before fading away. in order the make a long lasting black hole you need to have a lot of mass. this "rift" you speak of is a tear and has no mass. therefor it will not turn into a black hole. physics have yet to prove that hawking radiation actually tears space.

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 05:40 PM
Sorry, one more thing.....I on't remember if it was the first thread or this one, but "z" mentioned the types of aliens at 51.

Every description you typed matches EXACTLY those of Sherry Shriner. (Google her, she's a loon)

I am assuming that all these "pauses" between posts are just s you have time to run to wikipedia for information.

"If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's in English, thank a soldier"

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 06:26 PM
to say he had an agreement with his alien pals not release
any information on them

he seems to be telling us an awful lot about them

plus if they real didn't want him to talk about his
abduction experience and about them
then whys he on here telling us about them now

[edit on 10-2-2008 by loki42]

posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 07:18 PM
reply to post by zx4551

So are you trying to say that the military wants to create a stargate similar to what is on the TV-show, Stargate SG-1?? Sorry if this post isnt long enough, not used to posting on here..


posted on Feb, 10 2008 @ 08:08 PM
reply to post by kthulu

If you stop and think for a moment, there is no way the OP is going to prove to you that he does what he says, or works where he works.

thats very easy to prove
all they have to do is tells us what symbol is above the hanger door

it is not a hard question if you have been there, is it

we have people here who will validate their answer

After a long line of interrogation, like "Whats the symbol above the door?", or any other questions we throw at him, are we any closer to knowing if its true or not?

as above

answer some of the more personal questions and i will believe, but the OP keeps IGNORING the questions

what i find amazing, is this thread still going strong, it was funny though

just thinking
maybe, just maybe the MIBs have got him before anymore posts

sarcastic mode off

have a good night people

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