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Do you support the killing of innocent people as you initially stated or don't you?
You repeatedly raise the economic climate of Ireland as a cause of The Troubles.
The para-milataries from both sides had long ceased being idealistic freedom fighters or defenders of the realm and were, and to a lesser extent still are, nothing better than organised criminals who use the romantic nature of Irish people to further their own agenda's of exploitation and gangsterism.
The initial causes of The Troubles stretch back a thousand years.
At what point do you leave the past behind and deal with the reality of today and start moving forward to make Ireland, both North and South, a better place for all concerned?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Freeborn
Do you support the killing of innocent people as you initially stated or don't you?
"America did.
WE also ARMED them.
And I happen to support them still."
Take quotes out of context all you want. I never said I condoned the violence, however, I also said I do not support a blanket opposition to their tactics simply because people here are British.
Seems pretty straight forward to me and quite impossible to take out of context.
You initially advocated support for an organisation which was conducting a terror campaign against innocent people.
You also seemed quite proud that the US continued to fund that violence.
Now that Ireland is going through a period of relative peace and prosperity you were quick to advocate the re-commencement of the armed struggle.
However, you do seem to have backtracked.
Violence Begets Violence, and if they continue to use violence in the manor they did, they will only backtrack the success made in the past few years. Diplomacy will bring about a united Ireland.
I agree with you; except there will never be a united Ireland unless the majority of people in Northern Ireland wish it.
The reality of it is that they don't; they wish to remain within the UK, and so they will.
The para-milataries from both sides had long ceased being idealistic freedom fighters or defenders of the realm and were, and to a lesser extent still are, nothing better than organised criminals who use the romantic nature of Irish people to further their own agenda's of exploitation and gangsterism.
I actually don't disagree at all. The organization was exploited and the united movement was setback because of the violence.. however, it is not to surprising that violence was the path chosen, as on both sides there was violence, and there where people murdered.
Some common ground.
The cause(s) became irrelevant because the majority of people in Northern Ireland disagreed with the cause(s) and as such the terrorists were losing control.
With that loss of control went the loss of power and money that went hand in hand with being a terrorist.
You are right, the past should not be forgotten but when people liv and dwell in the past and use some illusionary notion of a romantic freedom fighter to further justify the perpetuation of killing it achieves nothing.
The lessons of the past are there to be learnt from and then move on forward trying not to repeat the mistakes that were made in the past.
But for that to happen we have to accept the reality of today.
Unfortunately some Republicans refuse to accept the reality that the majority of people in Northern Ireland do not agree with them.
This is why I hate organized religion.
More common ground.
But for that to happen we have to accept the reality of today.
Unfortunately some Republicans refuse to accept the reality that the majority of people in Northern Ireland do not agree with them.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by infinite
America did.
WE also ARMED them.
And I happen to support them still.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
What would you say is the percentage of people who want to unite and those who want to remain British?